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John CAIRNS

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Hello,

John CAIRNS b. abt 1843 Stirling, Scotland d. ?

NSW Assisted Immigration Passenger List 1828-1896
CARNS Thomas 40 'William & Mary' 1852 Sydney and/or Newcastle and family Reel 2136, [4/4790] Page 125; Reel 2463, [4/4927]
Arrival Date 4 Jan 1852
Origin Location Stirling Stirlingshire
Thomas Carns age 40 farm labourer
Janet age 38
Mary age 16
Margaret age 14
David age 12
John age 9
Catherine age 3


Possible marriages in Qld:

27 Feb 1884/B8770 Cairns John - Mee Isabella
27 Jun 1884/B8972 Cairns John Anton - Train Margaret
22 Oct 1885/C0254 Cairns John - Robson Jean
26 May 1891/C1754 Cairns John - Legg Annie
7 May 1892/C0430 Cairns John - Bradfoot Marion

Ruling out the ones born in Australia and Ireland and the ones with parents who don't fit it seems there are only two left:

Death 27 Apr 1911/C0639 Cairns John - - ?

Age does not fit for this one either:

Death 16 Jun 1901/C0679 Cairns John - -

The Brisbane Courier (Qld. : 1864-1933) - Saturday 3 August 1901 p.4
DEATHS
CAIRNS.-On the 16th June, at Cairns, John Cairns, beloved husband of Margaret Wylie Cairns, aged 52 years.

There seems to be too many marriages and not enough deaths for John. :2fun:

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Just wondering around Trove looking for John:rolleyes::2fun::2fun:


The Moreton Bay Courier (Brisbane, Qld. : 1846 - 1861)
Saturday 4 September 1858

MARRIED.

At Cressbrook, by special license, by the Rev. Dr. Nelson, Jonathan Rampling, late of Chelim- ford,. Essex, to Margaret, third daughter of Thomas Cairns, late of Edinburgh, Scotland.
 

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Thanks gibbo. Yes, 3rd daughter:

Janet
Mary
Margaret


Marriage 1859/C0194 Pampling Jonathan - Cairns Margaret * 25 Aug 1858

Death 1908/C01124 Pampling Margaret - Thomas Cairns - Janet Draper

The Queenslander (Brisbane, Qld. : 1866-1939) - Saturday 6 June 1908 p.14
DEATHS
PAMPLING.-On May 25, at her residence, Margaret, beloved wife of J. Pampling, Esq., Ashwood, Mutdapilly, aged 67.
 

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Death of John's younger brother:

Death 1912/B15271 Cairns David - Thomas Cairns - Janet Draper

Mary is accounted for:

V1855218 82/1855 COLEMAN JOHN S R - CAIRNS MARY QG= Presbyterian Ipswich
Marriage 1854/BM710 Coleman John Spooner Rackham - Cairns Mary * 14 Mar 1855

Death 1 Nov 1893/C0171 Coleman John Spooner - Samuel Coleman - Catherine Jones

Death 1892/C01592 Coleman Mary - Thomas - Janet

The Brisbane Courier (Qld. : 1864-1933) - Monday 19 December 1892 p.4
DEATH
COLEMAN.-On the 15th December, at the residence of her son-in-law (J. Soutter, Albion), Mary, widow of the late J. S. R. Coleman, of Cressbrook, aged 54 years.
 

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Cant remember if we have these or not :confused:

Cairns, Janet, b. 31 May 1805 at "Bridge of Allan" Scotland, d. 4 Feb 1896 at 'Cairnsville' Brisbane, aged 90yrs, s/w Thomas Cairns (husband) and Janet D. Ketteringham, [JD]

Cairns, Thomas, d. 15 Oct 1899 at 'Cairnsville', aged 88yrs, s/w Janet Cairns and Janet D. Ketteringham, [JD]

http://www.interment.net/data/aus/qld/brisbane/nundah/nundah.htm

Yeah i know its info on John's your looking for, just thought i would check where his parents were buried on the off chance he was in the same cemetery so thought i would post their burial anyway.
 

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Thanks gibbo. :)

I didn't have either of those. I have the notices. They include the months but not the days.


The Brisbane Courier - Wednesday 18th October 1899
On Sunday morning last one of the oldest identities of Bulimba, Cressbrook, and the Valley, Mr. Thomas Cairns, died at the residence of his youngest daughter, Mrs. W. J. P. Cooksley, Cairnville, Toorak, Breakfast Creek. The deceased gentleman attained the patriarchal age of 88 years and 7 months.

The Brisbane Courier - Saturday 22nd February 1896 p.4
DEATHS
CAIRNS.-On the 4th February, at Cairnsville, Breakfast Creek, Janet, the dearly beloved wife of Thomas Cairns, and mother of Mrs. W. J. F. Cooksley, aged 90 years and 9 months.
 

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I'm puzzled by Janet D. Ketteringham.

Daughter Janet married George AITKEN.

Ketteringham, Janet D. (Sis), d. 11 Dec 1912, aged 31yrs, s/w Janet and Thomas Cairns, [JD]

Mary married John COLEMAN

Margaret married Jonathan PAMPLING

Catherine married William J. F. COOKSLEY
 
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QLD death index
1912/B16860 Janet Draper Ketteringham
father William John Farmer Cooksley
mother Catherine Alexandra Cairns
 

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Oh. :rolleyes: THAT one.

The Brisbane Courier (Qld. : 1864-1933) - Thursday 11 December 1919 p.6
IN MEMORIAM
KETTERINGHAM.-In loving memory of my dear daughter and sister, Mrs. J. D. Ketteringham (Sis), who died at Clayfield December 11th, 1912. "Gone but not forgotten."
Inserted by her loving mother and sister, Mrs. C. A. Coolsley, and L. A. Dennis.

One of the 18 million who died of Spanish Flu:

Casualty Lists of the Royal Navy and Dominion Navies, World War 1
THE SPANISH INFLUENZA
The pandemic lasted from approximately July 1918 to April 1919 with a major peak in the UK between September 1918 and January 1919. It can be assumed that the vast majority of illness deaths in these periods were due to the Spanish flu.
MMR = Mercantile Marine Reserve
H.M.S 'Eaglet' KETTERINGHAM, Bert N, Donkeyman, MMR, 927230, illness
 

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Hi


John Cairns married Marion Bradfoot on the
7th May 1892 Court House Hotel, Port Douglas

John CAIRNS
Bacelor
Born Edinburgh, Scotland
Occupation: Packer
Age 43
Usual residence Seven Mile, Port Douglas
Father: Thomas Cairns
Mother: Janet Draper
Father's occ: Farmer

Marion BRADFOOT
widow
Born Waterford Ireland
aged 40
Ususal res: Seven Mile, Port Douglas
Father: Edmond Flemming
Mother: Catherine Flemming
Farets occ: Butcher

Just recently discovered this family member out here. John's father is my 4 times great uncle.

Marion died 18/10/1902 in Queensland but I can't match up a death record for John as yet. Has anyone had any luck with that?

Carol
 

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Hello Carol,

welcome to FHUK

Thank you very much. I had five possible marriages 1884 - 1892 and could not find the right one.

Re a death, all I can say at the moment is this:

Possible
Death 27 Apr 1911/C0639 Cairns John - -

Unlikely
Death 16 Jun 1901/C0679 Cairns John - -

The Brisbane Courier (Qld. : 1864-1933) - Saturday 3 August 1901 p.4
DEATHS
CAIRNS.-On the 16th June, at Cairns, John Cairns, beloved husband of Margaret Wylie Cairns, aged 52 years.

I hope now I know who John married that his death will be found.

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Looks like a error on the death reg unless Edmond had a middle name that he used.

Death 1902/C0730 Cairns Marion - John Flemming -

So far I can't find any notice in the newspapers for the 1902 or 1911 death.

Electoral rolls start in 1903 for the on-line index.

John Cairns 1903-1908 Herbert

I can't see cemetery details on-line.


HERE and HERE

The following cemeteries can be searched:

Babinda Cemetery
Forest View Memorial Park Lawn Cemetery
Gordonvale Cemetery
Martyn Street Cemetery
Nelson Road Cemetery Babinda
McLeod Street Pioneer Cemetery
Mossman Cemetery
Port Douglas Cemetery
Port Douglas Cemetery is not included in the pull-down menu.
 
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Hi,

Think we can cross the John Cairns who died 1901 off the list registrations shows:

Name: John Cairns
Death Date: 16 Jun 1901
Death Place: Queensland
Father's Name: John Cairns
Mother's Name: Rosanna Millan
Registration Year: 1901
Registration Place: Queensland
Registration Number: 000679
Page Number: 3676

read up his death notices and he was a bit younger than our John and he was married to Margaret Wylie Dexter.

John who died in 1911 doesn't have parents names on registration database

Name: John Cairns
Death Date: 27 Apr 1911
Death Place: Queensland
Registration Year: 1911
Registration Place: Queensland
Registration Number: 000639
Page Number: 3676

Found that this John died 27 April 1911 and was buried in the Mareeba Pioneer Cemetery (Constin St)
Section 81
No headstone though

Cairns Post - Monday, 1 May 1911

DEATH OF OLD IDENTITY
Miners phthisis has claimed another victim, this time Mr. John Cairns, one of the oldest identities of the Hodgkinson district. Deceased was an early prospector on the Hodgkinson, and in its development spent the greater part of his life. The funeral took place at Mareeba on Thursday,and was largely attended.

Electoral rolls for 1903, 1905 and 1908 have this John Cairns inthe District and occupation is given as a miner. Also in the same place is a David Cairns maybe his brother

I can't find any death notices for his wife or for David

With Marion's death registration - information on that is only as good as the informants knowledge and at least they got the maiden surname correct.

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Hello Carol,

Thanks.

Yes, we can cross the 1901 death off.

Re David I have very little. Age 12 on the shipping record and his death:

10 Jan 1912/B15271 Cairns David - Thomas Cairns - Janet Draper

I have noticed one thing re John:

1851
Piece: SCT1851/685 Folio: 697 Page: 11 Schedule: 41
Place: St Cuthbert's -Midlothian Enumeration District: 1
Civil Parish: St Cuthberts Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Address: Gorgie Farm
Surname First name(s) Rel Status *** Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
CAIRNS Thomas Head M M 39 Farm Labourer Peebles-shire - Newlands
CAIRNS Janet Wife M F 42 Stirlingshire - Logie
CAIRNS Mary Dau - F 12 Scholar Perth - -
CAIRNS Margaret Dau - F 10 Scholar Stirlingshire - St Ninians
CAIRNS David Son - M 8 Scholar Stirlingshire - St Ninians
CAIRNS John Son - M 6 Scholar Stirlingshire - St Ninians
CAIRNS Catherine Dau - F 3 Midlothian - St Cuthberts
CAIRNS William Son - M 1 Midlothian - St Cuthberts

Reel 2463
Thomas 40 Farm Labourer - Noblehouse Co Peebles - David & Margaret mother living at Noblehouse - CofS - Read & write - No relations in colony - Condition good - no complaints
Janet 38 Dom Servt. - Bridge of Allan Stirlingshire - John & Mary Draper both dead - CofS - Read & write
Mary 15 Dom Servt. - Hill of Rip Stirlingshire - Thomas & Janet on board
Margaret 14 Dom Servt. - St Ninnian parish Stirlingshire - ditto
David 12 Stirling same county - ditto
John 9 St Cuthberts parish Edinbro - ditto
Catherine 3 St Cuthberts parish Edinbro - ditto

Regards,

Dave
 
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Hi,

Have found the correct death for John Cairns:

Ooccupation: Miner
Date of death 27 Aprl 1911
Aged 63Place of Death - Byrne Street, mareeba
Born Scotland, 59 years in Queensland
Parents: not known
Marriage details: Port Douglas, Quensland, Marion Bradford
Buried: 27 April 1911 Mareeba Cemetery

his wife Marion died 18 Oct 1902 and was also buried 19 Oct 1902 in the Mareeba Cemetery
John Cairns was the informant and details of both marrieages are recorded

David Cairns
died 10 Jan 1912 at the Benevolnt Asylum, Dulwich and was buried 10 Jan 1912 at the Dunwich Cemetery
No details of any marriage
Parents - Thomas Cairns and Janet Draper
Born Stirling, Scotland , a short time in NSW and about 50 years in Queensland

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Hello Carol,

Thank you very much.

Another mystery solved. :)

Born Stirling. So shipping record is in error.

I have another (NOBLE) in my tree also buried at Dunwich. I don't have details of his admission yet.

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The Redland City Council has the burial records for Dunwich.

I emailed them a few years ago and a nice fella emailed me the burial details and then posted a copy of them out to me. Very few of the graves have headstones and apparently you'd be lucky to find where they are actually buried as there is no cemetery plan... something to that affect.
 

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Yes.

A search of the Dunwich Benevolent Asylum Death Register reveals that Alexander Noble was an inmate who died at the Asylum. Details of the entry are set out below:
Name: Alexander Noble Age: 80 years.
Registration No. 3769
Cemetery No. 1917
Date of Death: 14th July 1907
Cause of Death: Senile decay and diarrhoea.
Alexander was buried in Dunwich Cemetery. His grave would have been marked by an iron grave marker. The cemetery was neglected for many years and the markers have been strewn around the cemetery, very few are in their original places. All we know is that he is buried there but cannot pinpoint the exact site.
 
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