John Clark(e) and his father William

[harryfotta]

Hello All.

After sometime searching I am now in a stuck position.
I am trying to find out information regarding my 3*GG John Clark(e), born roughly around 1834.
From 1861 onwards, the census records show that he was born in Manchester Lancashire.
I know from his marriage certificate in 1859 that his fathers name showing is Wm ( I presume this being William )?!?
Could William be a middle name?????
If he was deceased, would that show on the marriage certificate from that time (1859)

I have found a John Clarke with his mother's name Mary but no William in the 1851 census. (they are lodging with a Thomas Street)!

Can anybody point me in the right direction please.

All help is hugely appreciated

Kind regards

Andy Follows (should be Clarke)

 

[benny1982]

Hi Andy

On the 1859 marriage cert, what occupation does he give for his father William?

 

[harryfotta]

Hi Benny1982.
It gives William as a ‘Labourer’.
Thanks

 

[harryfotta]

Sorry, I forgot to add, he was not present at the wedding

 

[solidrock2]

Who did John marry and why do you think William was not present at the marriage?

 

[harryfotta]

Sorry, I’m presuming he wasn’t there. He could have died. I’ve seen this before on my grandfathers marriage certificate in 1931.
I just wondered in the 1800’s, if the father was deceased, would it show on the certificate??
John Clarke married Mary Ann Trumpeter in May 1859 in Tipton Staffordshire UK.
Thanks for the reply solidrock2

 

[DaveHam9]

Indication on a marriage of parents being deceased is not always shown. You can't assume either way.

 

[solidrock2]

Are you sure the 1851 census is him, on the transcript of his marriage it say's born 1832. There is a baptism for a John Clarke 07 Apr 1833 Tipton, Staffordshire. father William, mother Martha.

 

[harryfotta]

The year of birth is messy. For sure, if I go from the marriage certificate then 1832 is plausible but census records show slight variations plus these people could not read and write. The census records repeatedly say John was born in Manchester but that’s not to say they then moved south after his birth between 1832/3. I have tried a quick search with William married to Martha but nothing concrete. I’ve read Martha could be ‘Pat’??
All very confusing!