John COLEMAN

[DaveHam9]

Marriage 4014/1888 COLEMAN JOHN - TURNER HARRIET A - MITCHELL * 28 Dec 1888

Mitchell = Bathurst area and no notice found in Trove.

1932 NSW Electoral Roll - Macquarie - Lithgow
COLEMAN John, 69 Inch street, Lithgow, miner

Death 18650/1943 COLEMAN JOHN - CHARLES - MARGARET - GRANVILLE

The Sydney Morning Herald - Mon 19 Jul 1943 p.8
DEATHS
COLEMAN.-July 18, 1943, John (late of Lithgow) beloved husband of Harriett Coleman and loving father of Ethel, Alice, Myrtle, William and Ernest. Interment at Lithgow.

Lithgow cemetery index
COLEMAN John 18/07/1943 Lithgow Anglican Anglican 1 11A 07


Looking for John's age at death or age at marriage.

Thanks,

Dave

 

[horse]

A public tree has this...

"John COLEMAN (1866-1943)
18 Jul 1943 Campsie, New South Wales, Australia
at the residence of his daughter Mrs E Smith, 67 Park Street, Campsie."

Headstone has himself age 76y and Harriet.. want the details sending?

Geoff

 

[horse]

Headstone has himself age 76y and Harriet.. want the details sending?

Need to go, Dave... Details sent.

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

Birth 33140/1890 COLEMAN ETHEL M - JOHN HARRIETT A - SUNNY CORNER

Marriage 8113/1912 SMITH JAMES W H - COLEMAN ETHEL M - WOOLLAHRA * Not CofE PR *

1935 NSW Electoral Roll - East Sydney - Surry Hills
SMITH James William Henry, 61 Phelps street, labourer
SMITH Ethel May, 61 Phelps street, home duties

Different address.

A birth in 1866 or 1867 presents a problem. Charles and Margaret married in 1872.

If mother = Margaret is correct then either John was born before his parents married or his father Charles married twice, both to a Margaret. Charles born abt 1836 but baptism not found so could have married before the 1872 one.

No birth reg in NSW 1865 - 1868 for a John Coleman.

Death 7390/1885 COLEMAN CHARLES AGE 49 YEARS DIED SUNNY CORNER BATHURST * 16 Dec


Dave

 

[Ellie7]

Tree on Ancestry with gravestone.

John Coleman
1866–1943
Birth 5 MAR 1866 • Tuena, Trunkey Creek, New South Wales, Australia
Death 18 JUL 1943 • Lidcombe, New South Wales, Australia

Harriet Ann Turner
1864–1930
Birth 12 FEB 1864 • Mitchells Creek, NSW Australia
Death 30 SEP 1930 • Lithgow, New South Wales, Australia

ellie

 

[Ellie7]

Charles Richard Coleman
1839–1885
Birth ABT 1839 • Appledore, Kent, England
Death 16 DEC 1885 • Sunny Corner, New South Wales, Australia


Margaret Monks
1845–1920
Birth 14 FEB 1845 • Tuena, New South Wales, Australia
Death 12 DEC 1920 • Murray Street Portland Blaxland Shire NSW Australia

3 trees with no marriage details

ellie

 

[Ellie7]

well that's after the birth .

Charles
Last name Coleman
Denomination
Marriage year 1872
Registration year 1872
Registration district Bathurst
State
New South Wales
Country Australia
Spouse's first name(s)Margaret
Spouse's last name Monks
Registration number1534

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Ellie.

Yes, that's the marriage. No birth reg in the index though so don't know where date and place came from - passed down ? family bible ? not in any details that have been provided to me by a descendant.

I'm sure I know his father but not sure of his mother. Can't find a previous marriage for Charles that fits location. So with John born 1866 Margaret may or may not be his mother.

Marriage 1 Apr 1872

Children
8657/1872 COLEMAN CHARLES R CHARLES MARGARET CARCOAR
9358/1874 COLEMAN CHARLOTTE EMILY CHARLES MARGARET CARCOAR
9845/1876 COLEMAN WILLIAM EDWIN CHARLES MARGARET CARCOAR
10935/1878 COLEMAN WILLIAM E CHARLES MARGARET CARCOAR
12258/1880 COLEMAN ALICE MAUD CHARLES MARGARET CARCOAR
16157/1884 COLEMAN MARY CHARLES MARGARET CARCOAR

Dave

 

[Ellie7]

Not getting the 1885 death on FMP

Ellie

 

[DaveHam9]

Marriage at Bathurst.

I don't have a copy and don't know if it is CofE or not or if it was in centre of Bathurst at All Saints or in one of the towns surrounding Bathurst.

I'll check the All Saints film at the library next visit.

16 Dec 1885 Sunny Corner is east of Bathurst.

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Margaret is the daughter of two convicts. We have looked at her in a previous topic.

Decided this time around to start with John and see if anything new was found. Yes - details from the trees I didn't have - not that I can confirm all of it.

Didn't have this:

Birth TURNER HARRIET A 5175/1864 JAMES CHARLOTTE BATHURST * 12 Feb

Dave

 

[Ellie7]

1861
Richard Coleman
Age22
Estimated Birth Year
1839
Relation
Son
Father's Name
Richard Coleman
Mother's Name
Charlotte Coleman
Gender
Male
Where born
Appledore, Kent, England
Civil parish
Appledore
Ecclesiastical parish
Canterbury

5 years before John born,gives us a 5 year emigration window

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Ellie.

Appledore, Kent is new to me as is the name Richard.

All I had for Charles was age at death pointing to 1836 and no idea re pob or parents.

Children
8657/1872 COLEMAN CHARLES R CHARLES MARGARET CARCOAR

Have not followed any of the children so don't know if R = Richard.

I'll have to return to this tomorrow.

Dave

 

[Ellie7]

Margaret
Last name Coleman
Birth year
Death year1920
Registration year1920
Age at death
Registration district ortland
State New South Wales
CountryAustralia
Father's first name(s)Thomas
Mother's first name(s)
Registration number17068
CategoryBirth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
SubcategoryCivil Deaths & Burials
Collections fromAustralasia

Nothing on trove, does father match
Ellie

 

[horse]

Something to ponder...

Assisted:
Charles Coleman
Age: 23
Arrival Date: 28 Aug 1857
Vessel Name: Vocalist
Origin Location: Kilcommon, Tipperary, Ireland
[Image has; labourer, Kent. Possibly Appledore. Parents = Richard and Charlotte, living in Kent]

Geoff

 

[horse]

One of the trees has this, partial copy for ID purposes. Will send full copy, it can also be seen in the press Dec 64/Jan 65..

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Ellie.

Yes, father is Thomas, a convict from Dublin.

Place is Portland which is east of Sunny Corner which is east of Bathurst.

Nothing in Trove or ACI.

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

The Sydney Morning Herald - Wed 22 Feb 1865 p.5
GOULBURN.
Tuesday.
At the police court, yesterday, Thomas James Lodge and Thomas Jones, charged with receiving saddles from bushrangers, were remanded for eight days. Christina McKinnon and Ellen Monks, on remand, for assisting the bushrangers Hall, Gilbert, and Dunn to burn Mr. Morris's stores at Binda, were committed for trial. Margaret Monks, charged with the same offence, was discharged.

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

John Coleman b. 5 Mar 1866 Tuena, NSW

Not in the index and I have no way of confirming those details.

Father is probably Charles who married Margaret Monks but 1866 - 1872 is a large gap so Margaret may not be John's mother although 'Margaret' is listed on his death reg.


COLEMAN Charles 22 Vocalist 1857 Sydney and/or Newcastle Reel 2138, [4/4794]; Reel 2476, [4/4972]

Reel 2138 is on-line and just has Kent. Reel 2476 is at the State Library and will have more details including parents and if living then where.

Dave

 

[horse]

COLEMAN Charles 22 Vocalist 1857 Sydney and/or Newcastle Reel 2138, [4/4794]; Reel 2476, [4/4972]

Reel 2138 is on-line and just has Kent. Reel 2476 is at the State Library and will have more details including parents and if living then where.

Info in post #15 says parents living. Place looks like Appledore.. Do you want a copy of the image, Dave?

Geoff