John CUTTER/ COTTER/CUTTILL

[DaveHam9]

Marriage V18341144 18/1834 CUTTILL JOHN - CRAWLEY MARY - CA


Page 118 & 119
Marriages solemnized in the Parish of St. Philip Sydney in the County of Cumberland in the Year 1834
No. 471
John Cuttill of this Parish Stonemason, a Bachelor
Mary Crawley of this Parish a Spinster
married in this Church by Banns with consent of Government
this thirteenth day of January 1834 By me William Cowper
Parties signed: John Cuttill, Mary Crawley (her x mark)
Witnesses: George Moore of Sydney, Ann Moore (her x mark) of Sydney

Looking for Permission to Marry.

Thanks,

Dave

 

[horse]

One of the many variants, Dave..

NSW, Registers of Convicts' Applications to Marry, 1826-1851:
John Cuttel
Birth Year: Abt 1810
Spouse: Mary Crawley
Request Status: Granted
Date of Permission/Refusal: 10 Sep 1833

Ship looks like Lord Melville

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

John Cuttel
Crime: -
Convicted at: Middlesex Gaol Delivery
Sentence term: Life
Ship: Lord Melville
Departure date: 14th November, 1828
Arrival date: 6th May, 1829
Place of arrival New South Wales
Passenger manifest Travelled with 169 other convicts

A dob for the above convict?

If that is the vessel then I have the wrong convict or ...

COTTER John 'Lonach' 1825 34/0504 1 May 1834 Certificate of Freedom [4/4321; Reel 992]

I can't find any more details on that one. Dob for that one?

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

John Cotter
Date of Birth: 1747 ???
Occupation: Bricklayer
Crime: -
Convicted at: Ireland, Dublin City
Sentence term: 7 years
Ship: Tyne
Departure date: 16th July, 1818
Arrival date: 13th January, 1819
Place of arrival New South Wales
Passenger manifest Travelled with 94 other convicts

Check of dob for this one.

Thanks,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

I'm reasonably sure this is the one who married Mary Crawley.

Death 1233/1864 CUTTER JOHN AGE 60 YEARS DIED SYDNEY SYDNEY * 25 Sep 1864

The Sydney Morning Herald - Thu 29 Sep 1864 p.1
DEATHS
On the 25th instant, at his residence, Wilmott-street, Sydney, Mr. John Cutter, senior, aged 60 years.

Death 245/1871 CUTTER MARY - MARY SYDNEY * 5 Mar 1871

The Sydney Morning Herald - Mon 6 Mar 1871 p.8
FUNERALS
THE FRIENDS of JOHN, JAMES, and RICHARD CUTTER are invited to attend the Funeral of their late beloved MOTHER, Mary ; to move from her late residence, Bathurst-street, near Castlereagh-street, THIS (Monday) AFTERNOON, at quarter to 3 o'clock. J. and G. SHYING, Undertakers, 719, George-street South.

 

[horse]

Yes, that's the ship, Dave..

Would you like the original sending, you may see something new?

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Yes, thanks Geoff.

Also have to check no other John Cutter/Cotter/ ... married a Mary 1834 - 1840.

Dave

 

[horse]

Yeah, the date on the permission to marry is Sep 1833, marriage in post #1 is Jan 1834..

Original sent.

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

V1834376 126/1834 COTTER WILLIAM JOHN MARY
V1836883 126/1836 COTTER JOHN JOHN MARY
V18401271 133/1840 COTTER MARY JOHN MARY
V184349 134/1843 COTTER MARGARET JOHN MARY
V18452354 134/1845 CUTTER ELIZABETH JOHN MARY
James & Richard ??

This is the problem. We have a convict with the name that fits the baptisms.

John Cotter
Details
Alias: Cutler Cottell Irish Rebel: Religion: Age on arrival: 24
Marital status:
Calling/trade: Reaper
Born: 1801 Native place: Cork area
Tried: 1824 Cork Sentence: 7 Former convictions:
Ship: Lonach (1825)
Crime: Stealing money
Description:
Remarks: Colonial sentence
Spouse:
Died:

 

[DaveHam9]

Any other Permission to Marry for a John Cutter/ ....?

Dave

 

[horse]

Any other Permission to Marry for a John Cutter/ ....?

Will have a look, may be a few min's..

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

I need a James and a Richard with parents John & Mary as siblings to those in post #9.

The Sydney Morning Herald - Mon 6 Mar 1871 p.8
FUNERALS
THE FRIENDS of JOHN, JAMES, and RICHARD CUTTER are invited to attend the Funeral of their late beloved MOTHER, Mary ; to move from her late residence, Bathurst-street, near Castlereagh-street, THIS (Monday) AFTERNOON, at quarter to 3 o'clock. J. and G. SHYING, Undertakers, 719, George-street South.

 

[DaveHam9]

Age and occ for the one on Lord Melville ? Anything at all we don't have yet?

CUTTEL John - Lord Melville (2) - 1844 Recommended Conditional Pardon [4/4479; Reel 797 Page 062] Recommended by R Cooper (Snr)

 

[DaveHam9]

No sign of a baptism for a James or a Richard.

 

[horse]

Nothing else leaping out, Dave for a marriage or for the 2x baps.

There is this for John Cotter CoF May 1834, would he need to apply to marry if he waited a few months?

John Cotter
Birth Year: 1800
Native Place: County Cork, Ireland
Arrival year: 1825
Vessel: Lonach
Certificate Date: 1 May 1834

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

No.

No sign of another marriage for John to a Mary.

Then a marriage after 1 May 1834 for John to ... Does not seem to be one.

I'll have to go for 30 min when someone arrives sometime soon to give a quote for a removalist van.

Dave

 

[horse]

I'll have to go for 30 min when someone arrives sometime soon to give a quote for a removalist van.

OK, Dave..

Geoff

 

[horse]

Age and occ for the one on Lord Melville ? Anything at all we don't have yet?

CUTTEL John - Lord Melville (2) - 1844 Recommended Conditional Pardon [4/4479; Reel 797 Page 062] Recommended by R Cooper (Snr)

Post #2 has his birth as c1810

John Cuttel
Vessel: Lord Melville
Convicted Date: 25 Oct 1827
Voyage Date: 14 Nov 1828
Colony: New South Wales
Place of Conviction: Middlesex, England
[Image has him paired with a John Cawley, both sentenced to life]

Geoff

EDIT:
Another record has native place as Woolwich, occ = stone mason.
John Cawley was aged 22y

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

Age a bit out in convict records and or death reg. Occupation fits.

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Seems it has to be the Lord Melville one being a stone mason.

A bit odd no baptisms for sons Richard and James.

https://www.jenwilletts.com/convict_ship_lord_melville_1829.htm