John & Ellen MATTHEWS

[DaveHam9]

1851
HO107 Piece 1703 Folio 345 Page 1
Civil Parish: Enfield
County: Middlesex
Registration District: Edmonton
Address: Baker St
John A Matthews Head Mar 32 Painter Enfield
Ellen Wife Mar 26 Milliner North Mimms Herts
Isaac son 4 Hatfield Herts
Fredk son 2 Hatfield Herts
Faith dau 1 Enfield
Harriet Weatherley Servant 14 Enfield


Looking for John and Ellen in 1861 thanks. A= Alfred.

Dave

 

[Ladybird1300]

Looks like he's going by the name of Alfred now:


Name: Alfred J Matthews
Age: 42
Estimated birth year: 1819
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ellen Matthews
Gender: Male
Where born: Enfield, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Lambeth
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Registration district: Lambeth
Sub-registration district: Kennington Second
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 109
Piece: 361
Folio: 53
Page Number: 21
Household Members:
Name Age
Alfred J Matthews 42
Ellen Matthews 36
Isaac Matthews 14
Frederick Matthews 13
Faith Matthews 11
Justice Matthews 10


Amanda

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Amanda.

Faith is the one who ended up in Queensland.

The Brisbane Courier (Qld. : 1864-1933) - Thursday 4 September 1873 p.2
MARRIAGE
DAWE - MATTHEWS.-On the 3rd September, at Kangaroo Point, by the Rev. John Gardiner, George Odling, third son of William Dawe, Islington London, to Faith, eldest daughter of the late Alfred Matthews, of Enfield, Middlesex.

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Death 1911/B14226 Slaughter Faith - Alfred John Matthews - Ellen Wilson

 

[DaveHam9]

Can't see Alfred or Ellen in 1871 and can't see deaths that fit in Middlesex or Surrey.

Alfred had died by Sep 1873 but don't know about Ellen.


To Queensland
MATTHEWS Faith 18 'Maryborough' 15 Apr 1870 761 18476 Z1958 M1697
Captain G. Rolls Dr. McLean Matron Mrs Gaudin
Gravesend 9 Dec 1869 Brisbane 15 Apr 1870
Steerage Single Women

I can't see any other Matthews on board.

 

[DaveHam9]

I can't see a birth, marriage or a death for 'Justice' Matthews.

No daughter Hope, or Charity or Prudence or son Courage.

 

[Ladybird1300]

I couldn't find anything for Justice either, and were all these children born in England Dave?? cos I can't find one record between them


Amanda

 

[Ellie7]

John Alfred Matthews
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 29 Jul 1821
Christening Place: SAINT ANDREW,ENFIELD,LONDON,ENGLAND
Birth Date: 17 Aug 1818
Father's Name: Chamberlain Matthews
Mother's Name: Mary

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C06786-1 , System Origin: England-ODM , GS Film number: 585398, 585400, 585402, 585403, 585405, 585406


Alfred John Matthews
Spouse's Name: Ellen Wilson
Event Date: 09 Aug 1846
Event Place: Wolverhampton, Stafford, England

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M01817-9 , System Origin: England-EASy , GS Film number: 1040908

 

[Ellie7]

John Alfred Matthews
Spouse's Name: Ellen Wilson
Event Date: 10 Aug 1846
Event Place: St. Peter, Wolverhampton, Stafford, England
Father's Name: C. Mathews
Spouse's Father's Name: T. Wilson

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I03185-4 , System Origin: England-EASy , GS Film number: 1040904 , Reference ID: 69


Ellie

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Ellie.

So the marriage notice with "... eldest daughter of the late Alfred Matthews, of Enfield, Middlesex." refers to where he was born and not where he was last living.

Shipping record does not say where Faith was born.

Dave

 

[horse]

I can't see a birth, marriage or a death for 'Justice' Matthews.

Qld Marriages:
1875 B4677 Joseph Berry Justice Sarah Matthews

Geoff

 

[horse]

Possible arrival..

Qld:
MATTHEWS Justice S 17 Royal Dane 2 Dec 1871 IMM/114 176 Z1958

Geoff

 

[horse]

Qld deaths:
1938 B38122 Justice Sarah Berry Alfred John Matthews Ellen Willson

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

That's a surprise. Faith was not the only one.

So, deaths for Alfred and Ellen.

Dave

 

[horse]

Births Q 1850
Matthews Faith
Edmonton
3, 158

John/Alfred was in Lambeth in 1861, this is a possible..

Deaths Q2 1864
Matthews John Alfred
Lambeth
1d, 235

Geoff

 

[horse]

This looks messy...

Alfred Slaughter
Spouse: Ellen Matthews
Marriage Date: 23 Nov 1866
Marriage Place: Queensland
Registration Place: Queensland
Registration Year: 1866
Registration Number: B001?27
Page Number: 13722

Geoff

 

[horse]

Ellen Slaughter
Death Date: 20 Mar 1902
Death Place: Queensland
Father: Wilson
Mother: Sarah Newman
Registration Year: 1902
Registration Place: Queensland
Registration Number: B002221
Page Number: 24130

Geoff

 

[horse]

Ah! We have a tree...

Re Faith:

"Marriage to Edward Slaughter
1881
13 Oct
Age: 31
Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
Faith is daughter of Edward's father's 3rd wife Ellen Matthews (nee Wilson).(that is, step-sister and step-brother marrying). Married at Faith's home (at Edward St) according to Baptist rites"

Geoff

 

[horse]

I can't see an arrival for Ellen

Geoff

 

[horse]

I can't see an arrival for Ellen

There is this but before John/Alfred's death? Age also out a bit..

Ellen Mathews
Age: 33
Birth Year: abt 1830
Ship Name: Rockhampton
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Port of Arrival: Brisbane
Arrival Date: 13 Oct 1863

No image, so unable to check..

Geoff