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John H ROBERTS & family


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Births Sep 1838 ROBERTS John Hartley - Manchester 20 489 mmn GRIFFITHS

HO107 Piece 1768 Folio 193 Page 20
Civil Parish: West Ham
Town: Stratford
County: Essex
Registration District: West Ham
Sub-RD: Stratford
ED: 7g
No of Schedule: 70
Address: Ham Lane
Thomas Roberts Head Mar 46 Portrait Painter Derbyshire ?
Mary Roberts Wife Mar 41 Manchester Lancashire
Saml. Roberts 19 House Decorator Manchester
Mary A Roberts 17 Student at Training School Manchester
Sarah Roberts 15 Dressmaker Manchester
John H Roberts Son 12 Scholar Manchester
Page 21
Elizabeth L Roberts 5 Scholar West Ham
Emma B Roberts 2 West Ham
Walter A H Roberts 3wks West Ham

Looking for the family in 1841, thanks.
Vic. Marriage 1863 ROBERTS John Hartley (b. ) - ELLIS Mary Ann (b. ) Vic. #1362

NSW Death 14829/1935 ROBERTS MARY A - RICHARD - MARY E - AUBURN * 17 Jul * Age 92

Mary Ann Ellis born abt 1843.
21st April 1863 at Wesleyan Church Ford street Beechworth by Rev Geo B Richards, Mr John H Roberts to Miss Mary Anne Ellis.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/112895580?searchTerm=roberts - ellis

daughter Mary Ellen bio


https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/246453531?searchTerm=john hartley roberts
found this
Jospeh Ellis was a local preacher and class leader whose forebears were Welsh miners who had migrated this far south.
He helped establish a Wesleyan Chapel in the little village of Ludgvon, in Cornwall, over against St. Michael's Mount and about three miles from Penzance. Ludgvon was a warm-hearted community of tin miners, fishermen and market gardeners who dated their revival of spiritual zeal from the appearance of John Wesley himself.
As well as being the local minister, Joseph Ellis kept a store which distributed wood and coal.
The first railway through this area broke into it's quiet seclusion and the Irish navvies that came with this railroad increased the custom of his store considerably. Unfortunately, they moved on without paying their bills. Trying not to lose his business, he left his wife and two children to hold on to what was left of it and set off for the Australian goldfields to hopefully become rich and return to "right every wrong".
He settled at Chewton in the Castlemaine area of Victoria, Australia where he became fairly successful as a miner. He then wrote to his wife to sell off his business to pay for tickets to Australia for herself and their children. However there was nothing left over after the sale and his wife and their children Mary Ann and Richard came out to Australia with what belongings they could gather, paying for their passage with the little they had saved personally.
The ship "Mermaid", on which they sailed, became a total wreck on its following voyage.

When Joseph Ellis heard about new diggings reporting great gold finds in the Ovens and Murray district, he trekked his family nearly the whole length of Victoria to Eldorado through virgin country without a road of any sort.
They bought one of the original town allotments building a bark hut for their home and creating a garden for home supplies.
Joseph Ellis then erected a Wesleyan chapel and became its steward, local preacher, Sunday school superintendent and the veritable pastor to the whole community.
The chapel was expanded into a Day School for the village and it was being run quite successfully by his seventeen year old daughter, Mary Ann Ellis.
Subsequently a qualified schoolmaster arrived in town and prepared his classrooms but no children came. He then had to capitulate and come to the Wesleyan Chapel and interview the little mistress. Then a partnership began which lasted nearly sixty years.
Thanks Val.

Marriages Mar Qtr 1843 Penzance 9 215

Parish of Ludgvan by Banns
No. 144
26th February 1843
Joseph Ellis of full age Bachelor - Miner - Ludgvan - John Ellis miner
Ann Richards of full age Spinster - - Ludgvan - William Richards miner
Married in parish Church by me James Wm. Campbell
Parties signed:
Witnesses: Henry Banfield, the mark of John Ellis x

Births Dec Qtr 1846 ELLIS Mary Ann - Penzance 9 214 mmn SIMS ????

GRO Reference: 1849 M Quarter in PENZANCE UNION Volume 09 Page 265

Possibly no birth reg for Mary Ann.
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Cornwall OPC has the following baptisms at Ludgvan Chapel (part of the Weslyan Circuit) Parents are Joseph and Ann Ellis

Joseph 28 January 1844 aged 3 weeks
Mary Ann 6 July 1845 aged 6 weeks
Richard born 20 March 1849 baptised 11 July 1849
Thanks emeltee.

Marriage of Ellis to Sims to rule that birth out.
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Charles Ellis
Age 19
Mother's Name Mary Ellis
Spouse's Name Catharine Jane Sims
Spouse's Age 18
Spouse's Father's Name Andrew
Marriage Date 16 Mar 1844
Marriage Place Gulval, Cornwall, England,