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John HARRIS born Skewen

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1881
RG11 Piece 5353 Folio 112 Page 76
Civil Parish: Clase
County: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Registration District: Swansea
Sub-RD: Llangyfelach
ED:
Address: Graig
John HARRIS Head Mar M 37 Iron Worker (Baller) Skewen, Glamorgan, Wales
Martha HARRIS Wife Mar F 32 Britton Ferry, Glamorgan, Wales
John HARRIS son M 14 (Iron Worker) Britton Ferry, Glamorgan, Wales
Evan HARRIS son M 12 (Iron Worker) Britton Ferry, Glamorgan, Wales
Bertie HARRIS son M 6 Scholar America

Skewen should be Neath ??

Birth reg / baptism for John - John Harris & Jane Williams.

Marriages Mar Qtr 1840
HARRIS John Neath 26 514
DAVIES Jane Neath 26 514 (nee WILLIAMS)


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Skewen is about 2 kilometeres from Neath and Neath is the registration district. Unfortunately if you look on FreeBMD there are about four entires for John Harris in Neath around 1843/44. Take your pick!

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There is a good tree on Ancestry with him in, starting with the 1851 census and going through to his death in Australia in 1920 but the details of his parents are just from the censuses and there is no baptism for him.

Too many people of the same name and too many non-conformist chapels with unpublished registers.

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Thanks Emeltee.

Thanks Elaine.

Was hoping 'Skewen' would sort them as most have Cadoxton-Juxta-Neath, or Cadoxton or Neath or just Glamorgan.

Yes, John died in Auburn in NSW in 1920. Buried CofE Rookwood.

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Marriages Sep Qtr 1865
Harris John Neath 11a 692
Powell Martha Neath 11a 692

Daughter's birth certificate has marriage written as 16 Feb 1865 ?


John filled out a book for entry into Australia for his family in June 1883. A Mrs Howells listed as personal reference.
I have not yet found who Mrs Howells is.

John's arrival not yet found.

Arrived in Sydney onboard 'North' 24 Dec 1883 with three children but not husband John.
HARRIS Martha 35 and son
HARRIS Bertie 8 and mother
HARRIS John 17
HARRIS Evan 15
Departed Plymouth 22 Sep 1883 Arrived 24 Dec 1883
Single Women
Martha 35 Domestic Servant Glamorgan CofEng Yes
Bertie 8 School America No

John & Evan listed under 'Single men'

No second shipping reel with details of parents. Also therefore no mention of any relations already in the colony.
 
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Martha born 15 Mar 1848 ? Briton Ferry in RD Neath
Parents Evan POWELL & Ann(e) JONES

1851
HO107 Piece 2463 Folio 69 Page 12
Civil Parish or Township: Briton Ferry
County: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Registration District: Neath
Sub-RD: Neath
ED: 3c
No of Schedule:
Address: Britton Ferry
POWELL, Evan Head Mar M 39 Rougher in Iron Works Cyfarthfa Glamorganshire
POWELL, Anne Wife Mar F 39 Fynon Tydfie Glamorganshire
POWELL, David Son Unm M 18 Merthyr Glamorganshire
POWELL, Margaret Dau F 15 Merthyr Glamorganshire
POWELL, Hannah Dau F 13 Merthyr Glamorganshire
POWELL, Rees Son M 11 Pontypridd Glamorganshire
POWELL, Anne Dau F 8 Merthyr Glamorganshire
POWELL, Martha Dau F 3 Briton Ferry Glamorganshire
 

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No sign of a birth reg for Martha. I can't confirm 15 Mar 1848 date.

Family looks to be CofE and not NC.

Shipping record CofE, burials in NSW are CofE.

Burials in Glamorgan are at St Catwg Church Cadoxton Juxta Neath.
 

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The right one ...

Evan Powell & Anne Jones
Event Type Marriage Banns
Event Date 19 Feb 1832
Event Place Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorganshire

Evan Powell & Anne Jones
Event Type Marriage Banns
Event Date 13 Apr 1832
Event Place Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorganshire

... and the right reg for Martha ...

Births Mar Qtr 1848
POWELL Martha Merthyr Tydfil 26 391

... or a different family?
 

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1861
RG9 Piece 4084 Folio 59 Page 9
Civil Parish or Township: Briton Ferry
County: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Registration District: Neath
Sub-RD: Neath
ED: 5
Address: 5 Vernon Place
POWELL Evan Head Mar M 51 Rollerman In Iron Works Newbridge Glamorganshire
POWELL Ann Wife Mar F 50 Merthyr Glamorganshire
POWELL Rees Son Unm M 22 Baller in Iron Works Treforest Glamorganshire
POWELL Martha Dau F 13 Scholar Briton Ferry Glamorganshire
POWELL Mary Dau F 10 Scholar Briton Ferry Glamorganshire
 
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This is not the family in my tree:

1851
HO107 Piece 2458 Folio 614 Page 18
Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorganshire, Wales
Registration District Merthyr Tydfil
John Powell Head M 38 Ystradilled, Brecknockshire
Gwenllian Powell Wife F 39 Trecastle, Brecknockshire
Thomas Powell Son M 16 Merthyr, Glamorganshire
Mary Powell Daughter F 6 Merthyr, Glamorganshire
Martha Powell Daughter F 4 Merthyr, Glamorganshire
David Powell Son M 6 MOS Merthyr, Glamorganshire
Mary Thomas Mother-In-Law F 76 Senny, Brecknockshire
David Powell Lodger M 44 Ystradvillte, Brecknockshire
 
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Pretty sure this will be the birth of Martha Powell,
Briton Ferry was in Neath RD :-

MARTHA
POWEL

Birth year 1848 Birth quarter 1

District NEATH
County Glamorganshire
Volume 26
Page 472
Record set England & Wales births 1837-2006

Just an L missing makes all the difference!
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Looking at the image for the marriage of Evan Powell & Anne Jones 13 Apr 1832, Merthyr Tydfil.
There is no further information. They both made their mark, as did most people on that page. The witnesses signed but are the same for most marriages on the page so not particular to this couple.

Image for marriage of John Harris & Jane Davies March 21 1840 St Cadoxton Church:-
John, copperman, Meol pen y Wern, father John Harris Copperman
Jane, widow, Brin coch, father Evan Williams collier

both full age, John signed, Jane mark
witts William Harris & William Williams

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1851 CENSUS
Ecclesiastical parish:Skewen
County:Glamorgan
Registration district:Neath
Sub-registration district:Ystradgunlais
ED, 3d Piece:2464 Folio:448 Page Number:23
Household schedule number:94

John Harris 39 Copperman
Jane " 36
Elizabeth Davies step daug 15
Ann Harris 9
Jane " 8
John " 7
William " 5
Mary " 3
Henry " 11 month
all born Glamorgan except Henry, Carmarthen

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EDIT :- just realised this will be on the Ancestry tree anyway, sorry!
 
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Thanks Elaine.

That clears up a few things.

Pob for Evan varies from census to census, Cyfarthfa, Newbridge, Treforest

1861
RG9 Piece 4084 Folio 59 Page 9
Civil Parish or Township: Briton Ferry
County: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Registration District: Neath
Sub-RD: Neath
ED: 5
No of Schedule:
Address: 5 Vernon Place
POWELL Evan Head Mar M 51 Rollerman In Iron Works Newbridge Glamorganshire
POWELL Ann Wife Mar F 50 Merthyr Glamorganshire
POWELL Rees Son Unm M 22 Baller in Iron Works Treforest Glamorganshire
POWELL Martha Dau F 13 Scholar Briton Ferry Glamorganshire
POWELL Mary Dau F 10 Scholar Briton Ferry Glamorganshire


I was hoping to see the banns in two parishes - Merthyr for Ann and another for Evan.

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Jane just after her marriage to John:

1841
HO107 Piece/Book 142/7 Folio 7 Page 7
Civil Parish: Cadoxton
County: Glamorgan
Registration District: Neath
Sub-RD: Cadoxton
Address: Neath Abbey, Cadoxton, Dyffryn Clydach
Jane Harris F 25 Glamorgan
Elizabeth Davis F 6 Glamorgan
Hannah Davis F 4 Glamorgan


1851
HO107 Piece 2464 Folio 356 Page 4
Civil Parish: Cadoxton Juxta Neath
County: Glamorgan
Registration District: Neath
Address: Neath Abbey
Evan Williams Mar 55 Farm Labourer Breconshire
Evan Williams 22 Blacksmith Cardoxton
David Williams 19 Working in Iron Works Cardoxton
Mary Williams 19 Cardoxton
David Williams Son in Law 21 Carmathenshire
Anna Davies Granddaughter 15


Occupation farm labourer and not collier ??
 
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1841
HO107 Piece/Book 1421/7 Folio 5 Page 3
Cadoxton, Glamorgan, Wales
Registration District: Neath
Address: Neath Abbey
Evan Williams M 45 Glamorgan ?
Hannah Williams F 40 Glamorgan
William Williams M 20 Glamorgan
Evan Williams M 10 Glamorgan
Mary Williams F 3 Glamorgan
David Davis M 5 Glamorgan
 
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John Harris born abt 1812 (Neath) Glamorgan in 1841?

I'm not having much luck so far assuming he is living in Glamorgan.
 
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both full age, John signed, Jane mark
witts William Harris & William Williams
I wonder if witness William Harris is of help. Not John's father so a brother perhaps ?

John's prents are John & Margaret but there are 2 possible John & Margarets in 1841.

Also Evan William(s) & Hannah ( ?).

William William
Christening Date 2 Jan 1819 CADOXTON JUXTA NEATH, GLAMORGAN
Evan William & Hannah
 
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John, copperman, Meol pen y Wern, father John Harris Copperman
1841
HO107 Piece/Book 1421/5 Folio 22a Page 12
Civil Parish: Cadoxton
Hundred: Neath
County: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Registration District: Neath
Sub-RD: Cadoxton
ED: 2
Address: Heol Pen Wern, Cadoxton, Blaenhonddau
John Harris M 49 Labourer Glamorgan
Margret F 47 Glamorgan
William M 20 Moulder Glamorgan
Ann F 9 Glamorgan
 

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re post#15,
1851, Anna Davies is born Cadoxton on image
bapt at Cadoxton 29 May 1837 :- Hannah Davies d.o. David & Jane, collier

re post #16,
1841 Evan Williams is a collier on image (not surprising if he has given it up by 1851 at the age of 55)

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