John Hartley ROBERTS & Mary Ann ELLIS

[DaveHam9]

Birth in Vic.:
Surname: ROBERTS
Given Names: Thomas Victor
Event: B
Spouse Surname/Father: Jno Hartley
Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Mary Ann ELLIS
Birth Place: BALLT
Death Place:
Year: 1880
Reg Number: 424

Looking for the marriage of John and Mary Ann.

Thanks,

Dave

 

[gibbo]

Ovens and Murray Advertiser
Saturday 25 April 1863

ROBERTS—ELLIS.— On Tuesday, April 21st, at the Wesleyan Church, Ford stree,t Beechworth, by the Rev Geo. B. Richards, Mr. John H. Roberts, to Miss Mary Anne Ellis.

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks gibbo.

Earlier than I expected. Thomas must have lots of siblings.

 

[gibbo]

Thomas is one of 13 kids.

Below is one of his sisters.
http://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/roberts-mary-ellen-8227

Was John Hartley married before Mary Ann?

 

[DaveHam9]

Was John Hartley married before Mary Ann?

No idea gibbo.

I'm in uncharted waters. :biggrin:

 

[gibbo]

Ok, its going to be alright, im here to help you :biggrin:

He was married previously.

His obituary states ..

He come to Sydney in 1857

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/art...searchLimits=exactPhrase=john+hartley+roberts

So with his age from the obituary i found one who arrived in 1857. Religion is
Wesleyan. I cant read native place tho His wife was Emma Jane

http://srwww.records.nsw.gov.au/ebo.../Plantagenet_13 Feb 1857/4_479300301.jpg&No=6

 

[DaveHam9]

Cornwall :biggrin:

 

[gibbo]

A maybe for his first marriage

Day Month 17-Aug
Year 1856
Parish Or Reg District Feock
Groom Fn John
Groom Sn ROBERTS
Groom Age Full
Groom Residence Penelewey
Groom Condition Bachelor
Groom Rank Profession Labourer
Groom Signed / Marked (S/M) S
Groom Father Name John
Groom Father Rank Profession Smelter
Bride Fn Emma Jane
Bride Sn WILLIAMS
Bride Age Full
Bride Residence Trevella
Bride Condition Spinster
Bride Signed / Marked (S/M) S
Bride Father Name William
Bride Father Rank Profession Labourer
Banns / Licence (B/L) B
Witness Fn1 John
Witness Sn1 WESCOTT
Witness Fn2 Elizabeth Jane
Witness Sn2 ROBERTS

 

[DaveHam9]

Groom father name = John

Death 3888/1922 ROBERTS JOHN H - THOMAS - MARY - AUBURN

So either wrong marriage or error with Thomas.

I presume Emma Jane died in Victoria.

It looks like the right marriage.

Marriages Sep Qtr 1856
ROBERTS John Truro 5c 288
Williams Emma Jane Truro 5c 288

 

[gibbo]

Any more on this one Dave?

 

[DaveHam9]

Only the Vic Reg # to close this one.

 

[horse]

John Hartley Roberts
Spouse: Mary Ann Ellis
Marriage Place: Victoria
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Year: 1863
Registration number: 1362

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

I'm off for a few hours so catch you later.

Dave

 

[horse]

Ok, Dave...

 

[DaveHam9]

ROBERTS John 21 Plantagenet 1857 Sydney and/or Newcastle and wife Reel 2138, [4/4793]; Reel 2476, [4/4971]

Plantagenet Arrived 13 Feb 1857
Reel 2476
John 21 Farm labourer & quarryman Feaock Cornwall John & Elizabeth in Feaock Wesleyan Both None Good None
Emma Jane 21 Wife Falmouth Cornwall William & ? in Feaock Wesleyan Both None Good None

Death 3888/1922 ROBERTS JOHN H - THOMAS - MARY - AUBURN

That's the right arrival and the right death so both parents as listed on the death reg are wrong.

Ovens and Murray Advertiser (Beechworth, Vic. : 1857 - 1918 ) - Saturday 25 April 1863 p.2
MARRIED.
ROBERTS - ELLIS.-On Tuesday, April 21st, at the Wesleyan Church, Ford street, Beechworth, by the Rev Geo. B. Richards, Mr. John H. Roberts, to Miss Mary Anne Ellis.


When and where did Emma Jane (nee WILLIAMS) die?

 

[horse]

When and where did Emma Jane (nee WILLIAMS) die?

Possible, Dave...

Emma J Roberts
Date: 1923
Death Place: New South Wales
Father: William
Registration Year: 1923
Registration Place: Marrickville, New South Wales
Registration number: 11686

 

[DaveHam9]

John remarried in 1863 so that would mean they divorced.

NSW Divorce Index starts at 1873.

 

[horse]

There's this in Vic..

Emma Jane Roberts
Death Place: Inglewood, Victoria
Age: 86
Father: Wm Campbell
Mother: Mary Ann Morris
Registration Year: 1922
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration number: 13418
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836

 

[horse]

There are some unconvincing deaths in the time frame

 

[DaveHam9]

Something is very wrong. :biggrin:

I think we should start from something known to be in my tree.