John Haylock abt 1835

[horse]

Hi

Looking for John's birth/bap.

Parents not known. He is with wife Ann and dau. Mary Ann in 1861, living next door to in-laws [James and Mary Rankin]. 1861 and subsequent censuses all say b. Soham, Cambridgeshire. 1881 has him b. 1833

A little more info HERE

Many thanks
Geoff

 

[emeltee]

Hi,

There is a John Haylock, parents William and Mary Ann, baptised 18/5/1833 in Ely. Soham is about five miles away from Ely so he could have lived in Soham but been baptised in Ely.

Emeltee

 

[Ladybird1300]

Hi Geoff,

He could have been born Soham and there is a baptism, but at Ely in 1833 could this be him??

First Name JOHN
Last Name HAYLOCK
Year Of Birth 1833
Baptism year 1833
Baptism date 18 May 1833
Abode otp
Place ELY, HOLY TRINITY
Mother's Given Name Mary Ann
Father's First Name William
Father occupation bricklayer
Notes -
County Cambridgeshire
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Do you know his death?? cos there was one born 1831 and died Soham 1905

Amanda

 

[Ladybird1300]

This is the other one:

First name(s) John
Last name Haylock
Birth year 1831
Death year 1905
Age 74
Burial year 1905
Burial date 10 May 1905
Parish Soham, Burial Book
County Cambridgeshire
Grave details E307/1843/663
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Amanda

 

[emeltee]

The 1905 death could well be the John born 1833. The info given to the registrar is only as good as the knowledge of the person who gave it and may not be exact.

Emeltee

 

[horse]

Hi,

There is a John Haylock, parents William and Mary Ann, baptised 18/5/1833 in Ely. Soham is about five miles away from Ely so he could have lived in Soham but been baptised in Ely.

Emeltee

Thanks Em'

Yeah, this one is a bit of a poser, especially mother being a 'Mary Ann' However, I think this is the one who is a bricklayer/builder and ended up in Middlesex... [2nd thoughts after Amanda's find]. My John stayed in the Newmarket RD and was an Ag lab.

Thanks Amanda

I think that is the one who ended up in Middlesex as a Builder, he married an Elizabeth and is still around in 1911.

Though, if he proves to be the bricklayer I found in 1851, that means there are 3x John Haylocks' b. abt the same time.

Em's point "The info given to the registrar is only as good as the knowledge of the person who gave it and may not be exact". Is very relevant, especially in this case, John's marriage and the reg. of their 2 dau's have yet to be found/confirmed

I wasn't aware of one b. in 1831 or that was his death, thanks for that.

I don't have my John's death at present.

Geoff

 

[horse]

Since there are no obvious births in Soham there are 3 possibles in the 1841 and 1851 censuses, the one b. Balsham had moved out of the area by 1851, leaving 2, one was a bricklayer in 1851, b. 1834 Ely [already discussed] and in 1851 one b. 1833, an Ag lab.

At the moment I am leaning towards the 1833 b. Ely, since there's nothing else that fits'.

Census ref. 1851 HO107; Piece: 1765; Folio: 266; Page: 31.

1841 ref: HO107; Piece: 88; Book: 5; Folio: 6; Page: 6 [He's with mother Elizabeth and sister Mary]

A baptism would be good

Geoff

Edit: Those DoB's are taken from the census and don't necessarily reflect those DoB's found in posts 2 & 3.

 

[horse]

This is them in 1881, Harriet is on my main line..

Civil Parish: Soham
County: Cambridgeshire
Street address: Broad Piece
RD: Newmarket
Sub-RD: Soham
ED: 8; RG11; Piece: 1681; Folio: 53; Page: 3

John Haylock 48 [b. Soham. Farmer of 33 acres]
Ann Haylock 41 [do]
Harriet Haylock 16 [do]
Lizzie Haylock 9 [do]

Geoff

 

[Ladybird1300]

Just to recap, the one in Balsham was John Julius father gent, so as you have discounted this and the others the only one left and looks like it fits is:

First Name JOHN
Last Name HAYLOCK
Year Of Birth 1835
Baptism year 1835
Baptism date 24 May 1835
Abode -
Place ELY, ST MARY
Mother's Given Name Elizabeth
Father's First Name Robert
Father occupation lab
Notes -
County Cambridgeshire
Record set Cambridgeshire Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
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Doesn't give the age so he may have been a toddler when he was baptised, hope this helps.

Amanda

 

[horse]

Thanks Amanda

So we need a marriage for a Robert Haylock and an Elizabeth by 1833/35 and a death for Robert before 1841. I'll have a look at that later.

Geoff

 

[Ladybird1300]

Hi Geoff,

The marriage :

Spouse's first name(s) ELIZABETH
Spouse's last name HOWARD
Birth year -
Marriage year 1832
Marriage day 19
Marriage month Nov
Place ELY, HOLY TRINITY
Groom's first name(s) Robert
Groom's last name HAYLOCK
Groom's marital status bac
Groom's residence otp
Bride's first name(s) Elizabeth (x)
Bride's last name HOWARD
Bride's marital status sp
Bride's residence otp
By licence or banns by banns
County Cambridgeshire
Country England
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Looks like a choice for his baptism:

First Name ROBERT
Last Name HAYLOCK
Year Of Birth 1803
Baptism year 1803
Baptism date 12 Aug 1803
Abode -
Place ELY, HOLY TRINITY
Mother's Given Name Mary
Father's First Name James
Father occupation -
Notes -
County Cambridgeshire
Record set Cambridgeshire Baptisms
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First Name ROBERT
Last Name HAYLOCK
Year Of Birth 1804
Baptism year 1804
Baptism date 02 Mar 1804
Abode -
Place ELY, ST MARY
Mother's Given Name Alice
Father's First Name John
Father occupation -
Notes -
County Cambridgeshire
Record set Cambridgeshire Baptisms
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The only death I could find for Robert was in 1842, but Elizabeth wasn't his wife.

Amanda

 

[Ladybird1300]

This may be Elizabeth's baptism, it was the nearest I could get to Ely or Soham, Meldreth is just outside Newmarket:

First Name ELIZABETH
Last Name HOWARD
Year Of Birth 1804
Birth date 18 Jun 30
Baptism year 1805
Baptism date 12 Apr 1805
Abode -
Place MELDRETH
Mother's Given Name Eliz
Father's First Name Ben
Father occupation -
Notes -
County Cambridgeshire
Record set Cambridgeshire Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Record collection Births & baptisms
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Hope it's ok

Amanda

 

[horse]

Thanks, Amanda.

A lot to take in there

I thought Elizabeth was a widow in 1841, remembering you don't usually see that info in 1841, just rechecked... at first glance it looked like widow in the profession column with 3 lines through it. Not so sure now, so Robert may be around elsewhere

Geoff

 

[emeltee]

There is a baptism for a Robert Haylock on the familysearch site

Robert Haylock baptised Ely 1812 parents Daniel and Sarah

There is also a burial in Ely which states Robert Haylock birth 1812 burial 1833

Could this be your Robert?

Emeltee

 

[horse]

Thanks, Em'.

I can't discount that, fly in the ointment is a dau Mary b. abt 1836 which I haven't yet had chance to confirm...

Geoff

 

[horse]

Thanks, Em'.

I can't discount that, fly in the ointment is a dau Mary b. abt 1836 which I haven't yet had chance to confirm...

Geoff

There is this, so the 1833 burial may be out

Mary Ann Haylock
Baptism Date: 24 May 1835
Baptism Place: St Marys, Ely, Cambridge, England
Father: Robert Haylock
Mother: Elizabeth Haylock
FHL Film Number: 2112075

Geoff

 

[emeltee]

Have you noticed that John and Mary Ann were baptised together - twins or just killing two birds with one stone, so to speak.

Emeltee

 

[horse]

Have you noticed that John and Mary Ann were baptised together - twins or just killing two birds with one stone, so to speak.

Emeltee

No, I hadn't noticed that yet, thanks, EM.. Still reluctant to update my tree at mo., though it is progressing now. I've only looked at this branch once; a while ago So I thought its was time to try again. Thanks again, ladies.

Geoff

 

[Ladybird1300]

You're welcome Geoff, the Cambridgeshire records are on Findmypast if you need anything else looked up, I have a sub.

Amanda

 

[horse]

You're welcome Geoff, the Cambridgeshire records are on Findmypast if you need anything else looked up, I have a sub.

Amanda

Thanks, Amanda...

Geoff