John Henry NICHOLLS

[DaveHam9]

Marriage 4378/1882 NICHOLLS JOHN HENRY - CLUCAS JANE - PARKES

No. 4 4th March 1882 Currajong
John Henry Nicholls - Bachelor - Ballarat, Vic. - Bricklayer - 22 - Parkes - John Nicholls & Harriet Callan - Bricklayer
Jane Clucas - Spinster - Currajong, NSW - Private Life - 18 - Currajong - John Clucas & Elizabeth Warren - Miner
Married in the house of Bride's Parents Currajong According to the rites of the Wesleyan Church
The consent of John Clucas ...
Parties signed: John Henry Nicholls, Jane Clucas Witnesses: John Clucas, Susan Clucas
By me John William ?
Particulars in columns 5, 7, 9 & 10 obtained from Church Register 2077 ... October 10th 1957

Marriages Sep Qtr 1854 Islington 1b 312
NICHOLLS John & CALLAN Harriet

Births Sep Qtr 1855 NICHOLLS John Henry - Islington 1b 182 mmn CULLAN

Assisted 'Arabian' 1857 Victoria 12 264
NICHOLL John 24 Bricklayer Middlesex Own Acct. Geelong Feb 3
NICHOLL Harriet 22
NICHOLL John H 1

Western Champion (Parkes, NSW) - Thu 23 Mar 1922 p.16
OBITUARY
MR. JOHN H. N1CHOLLS.
Mr. John H. Nicholls, of Talbot street, who had been a resident of Parkes for the last forty-five years, died on Saturday last, after a lengthy illness. The deceased, who was a native of Ballarat, Victoria, was 65 years of age. He followed the calling of a bricklayer, ...

Born England or Ballarat, Vic. ??

 

[gibbo]

Births Sep Qtr 1855 NICHOLLS John Henry - Islington 1b 182 mmn CULLAN

Assisted 'Arabian' 1857 Victoria 12 264
NICHOLL John 24 Bricklayer Middlesex Own Acct. Geelong Feb 3
NICHOLL Harriet 22
NICHOLL John H 1

Western Champion (Parkes, NSW) - Thu 23 Mar 1922 p.16
OBITUARY
MR. JOHN H. N1CHOLLS.
Mr. John H. Nicholls, of Talbot street, who had been a resident of Parkes for the last forty-five years, died on Saturday last, after a lengthy illness. The deceased, who was a native of Ballarat, Victoria, was 65 years of age. He followed the calling of a bricklayer, ...

Born England or Ballarat, Vic. ??

Everything points to him been born in England, maybe the person who did the obit assumed he was born in VIC. I can't find any births with that name and names of parents in VIC.

 

[DaveHam9]

Not sure gibbo.

If I was born in England I think I'd know it. Has born Ballarat, Vic. in his marriage.

I think the minister was John William Moore. That image I have is very hard to read.

 

[DaveHam9]

Seems to be no early death in Vic. for a John Nicholl/Nicholls.

 

[DaveHam9]

This one is rather odd. Birth before the marriage but not as Warren.

Birth 10720/1864 CLUCAS JANE - JOHN - ELIZABETH - FORBES * 2 Jan 1864

Marriage 2362/1873 CLUCAS JOHN - WARREN ELIZABETH - FORBES * 3 May 1873

Details have been added many years later.

Particulars in columns 5, 7, 9 & 10 obtained from Church Register 2077 ... October 10th 1957

 

[gibbo]

There was a son named Edward that i can't find a birth for neither. But his death is

NICHOLLS Edward
Death
<Unknown Family Name>, Harriet
CALLON
<Unknown Family Name>, John
BALLARAT E
SMITH, Elizabeth
aged 23
1882
93/1882

The earliest birth i can find for a John and Harriet is 1861

 

[DaveHam9]

Yes, lots of odd things about this one.

"He died on April 5, 1880, in Parkes, NSW, at the age of 50."

No death for John senior that I can find in NSW.

 

[DaveHam9]

Age at death points to 1857 not 1855.

I wonder if we are missing a death for the one born England and a birth for one in Vic.

Probably impossible to be sure one way or the other.

 

[gibbo]

That marriage cert. had place of birth "not given" then crossed out and Ballarat added? If that is the case he could have been born in England still??

 

[gibbo]

NICHOLLS Harriet
Death
<Unknown Family Name>, Harriet
UNKNOWN
<Unknown Family Name>, Callen James
U
NICHOLLS, John
aged 42
1880
4753/1880

 

[DaveHam9]

This will take a bit of explaining.

The churches had forms to fill in to send to the Registrar General. The forms did not have all the details recorded in the church register.

In 1957 when someone applied for a copy of the certificate then registry looked at the original church register No 2077 and added the missing details.

Particulars in columns 5, 7, 9 & 10 obtained from Church Register 2077 ... October 10th 1957

The details on the issued certified copy should match the church register if no transcribing errors.


There are still plenty of marriage certificates that have NOT been updated with the full details from the church registers and never will be.

 

[DaveHam9]

Yes, Harriet's death is ok and seems to say John was still alive.


If you order a NSW marriage certificate and don't have access via A... or FMP or film at a library to image of church register you will not know if you have all the details or not. The registry no longer checks the church register to see if all the details are included on certified copies they issue.

Some registers were never filmed - eg. CofE St Mary Balmain.

 

[gibbo]

Where to with it now Dave?

 

[DaveHam9]

Freezer = put it on ice.

 

[DaveHam9]

No early death for the one born England and no birth in index for one born Vic. so looks like no way of knowing for sure.

 

[horse]

A few links from this one Find A Grave.. May be a snippet or two. Not checked anything.

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

Don't know why they do it. That date is date of burial. He died on 18th.

Same with Jane. Buried on 20 and died on 18.

Dave

 

[horse]

Yeah, just checked out some trees, they are not 100% about the early years?

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Elizabeth Warren

Western Champion (Parkes, NSW) - Thu 1 Aug 1929 p.8
MRS. JOHN CLUCAS.
As we briefly noted in our last issue, Mrs. John Clucas, of Currajong, a pioneer resident of the district, passed away last Monday, at the ripe old age of 88. She had been in failing health for the last 15 months. The late Mrs. Clucas, whose husband predeceased her by about 33 years, was a native of Goulburn, ... and the daughters Mrs. J. Nicholls (Sydney), ...


No birth in NSW index.

abt 1843, Goulburn NSW

 

[DaveHam9]

Death 2849/1898 CLUCAS JOHN - CLIVE - NANCY - PARKES * 24 Mar 1898

Western Champion (Parkes, NSW) - Fri 1 Apr 1898 p.8
Brief Mention.
An old identity of the district, in the person of Mr J. Clucas, sen., passed over, to the great majority on Thursday night.

No birth in NSW index.


John CLUCAS
Birth: abt 1833, Kirkmaken Isle of Man

Can't find on FS.