John HIRST

[DaveHam9]

Hello cp,

While searching through newspaper clippings I came across this one:

Newspaper ?? - March 1862
HIRST-JOHNSON.-On the 30th of August last, at St. Stephen's, Richmond, Victoria (Australia), Mr. Wm. Hirst, of Ballarat, second son of Mr. John Hirst, of Huddersfield, to Eliza daughter of the late Mr. Henry Johnson, of Huddersfield.

So I think we should see if this is the same John HIRST or not.

Given Name Surname Alternative Name Occupation Residence Death Date Details
William Hirst Farmer Mailers Flat 21 Apr 1919 More
William Hirst Old Age Pensr Malvern 8 Dec 1915 More


Regards,

Dave

 

[crankypants]

Hi Dave

The York Herald (York, England), Saturday, November 22, 1862; pg. 8; Issue 4699. 19th Century British Library Newspapers: Part II.
MARRIED
HIRST-JOHNSON, On the 30th August last, at St. Stephen's, Richmond,
Victoria (Australia) Mr. Wm. Hirst, of Ballarat, second son of Mr. John Hirst,
of Huddersfield, to Eliza, eldest daughter of the late Mr. Henry Johnson, of
Huddersfield.

The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1956) Thursday 25 September 1862 p 4 Family Notices
MARRIED
HIRST-JOHNSON,-On the 30th ult., at Richmond, by the Rev. 0. T. Perks, Mr. William Hirst, Ballarat,
second son of Mr. Jno. Hirst, Huddersfield, to Eliza, eldest daughter of the late Mr. Henry Johnson, Huddersfield.

cheers
cp

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello cp,

Thanks. Yes I transcribed it from the image but the file name didn't have the name of the newspaper. I will correct that now with November not March.

I must be crazy. :2fun:

For the period 1810-1820 in Huddersfield alone, not counting Kirkheaton, Kirkburton or Almondbury, there are 11 marriages for a John HIRST.

We need a death reg with mother's name in full.

I can't see a William arriving assisted into Victoria early enough for the marriage.

Regards,

Dave

 

[crankypants]

Hi Dave

Still looking through VIC deaths for William HIRST. Can't see anything in VIC immigration that fits.

The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1956) Saturday 24 January 1863 p 4 Family Notices
HIRST.-On the 30th ult, Eliza Hirst, the wife of William Hirst, of Ballarat, aged twenty-nine years.

Australia Death Index, 1787-1985
Name: Eliza Hirst
Death Place: Victoria
Age: 29
Father's name: Johnson Henry
Mother's name: Emme U
Registration Year: 1862
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Number: 7991
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833

cheers
cp

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello cp,

Thanks.

I've been looking at some trees that have one HIRST family ending up in NZ. One of the Victorian Probate records is for a William Lockwood (a place near Huddersfield) HIRST who died 1 Feb 1907 in NZ.

It listed the beneficiaries and one was a HIRST but next to it was written "Stranger in Blood"

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello cp,

The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1956) - Friday 10 December 1915 p.1
DEATHS
HIRST.-On the 9th December, William, the beloved husband of Mary Ann, and father of William Hirst, of Sydney, and Marion Abraham, of Malvern, aged 82 years. Late of Ballarat.


The Probate record says he died 8 Dec 1915 Malvern - spouse Mary Ann d. 13 Sep 1918.

Regards,

Dave

 

[crankypants]

Hi Dave

So going by William's death age of 82 in 1915 we'd be looking for a birth abt 1833 +/-2, father John, in Huddersfield.

West Yorkshire, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name: William Hirst
Birth Date: abt 1831
Parish: Huddersfield, St Peter
Baptism Date: 17 Jul 1831
Father's name: John Hirst
Mother's name: Esther Hirst
Occ: Manufacturer

West Yorkshire, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name: William Hirst
Birth Date: abt 1833
Parish: Huddersfield, Holy Trinity
Baptism Date: 22 Sep 1833
Father's name: John Hirst
Mother's name: Mary Ann Hirst
Occ: Cloth-dresser

cheers
cp

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello cp,

Thanks.

That could be Esther SHAW - marriage 1816 Huddersfield.

Marriage 1817 Mary GARSIDE or Mary SHAW in 1810. Can't see a marriage for a Mary Ann to a John. I'll look outside Huddersfield.

1827 Huddersfield Mary Ann DYSON - submitted record.

In area around Huddersfield there are five more marriages for a Mary.

William was the 2nd son.

For Holy Trinity with mother Mary Ann I can see baptisms for:

Elizabeth 1828
Mary Ann 1835
Elizabeth 1837

Regards,

Dave

 

[crankypants]

Hi Dave

West Yorkshire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1921
Name: John Hirst
Marriage or Bann Date: 21 May 1826
Parish: Huddersfield St Peter, St Andrew, St Mark
Spouse's Name: Mary Ann Baraclough

West Yorkshire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1921
Name: John Hirst
Marriage or Bann Date: 30 Aug 1827
Parish: Huddersfield St Peter, St Andrew, St Mark
Spouse's Name: Mary Ann Dyson

West Yorkshire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1921
Name: John Hirst
Marriage or Bann Date: 1 Jan 1826
Parish: Almondbury, All Hallows
Spouse's Name: Esther Woodhouse

West Yorkshire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1921
Name: John Hirst
Marriage or Bann Date: 26 Aug 1816
Parish: Huddersfield St Peter, St Andrew, St Mark
Spouse's Name: Esther Shaw

cheers
cp

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello cp,

Thanks.

I don't want to go there. The BARRACLOUGH records I noticed were submitted. A son:

John c. 20 Oct 1831 Marsh, Huddersfield, Yorkshire, England
Death: 1 Jan 1888 - no place given but closest one in Huddersfield has age 6 years out.


I can find only two non-conformist baptisms with mother Esther - Tirzah & Allen.

Regards,

Dave

 

[crankypants]

Hello cp,

Thanks.

I don't want to go there. BARRACLOUGH

Regards,

Dave

Knew that would get you going >>

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello cp,

I just downloaded William's Will. It's very short and he leaves half to his spouse Mary Ann and half to his married daughter, Mary Ann Abraham.

I've looked through TROVE. There are several William HIRSTs in Victoria but nothing else that helps. I didn't see the marriage to Mary Ann.

The only tree I can find is the one with a HIRST family in NZ. I'll see if I can find the connection to William Lockwood HIRST who died in 1907. No mention and no sign of a Mary Ann or Esther as spouse.

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello cp,

Neither of these.

This one is from Ireland with brother and sister:

HIRST William 26 Dirigo 1860 Sydney Reel 2139, [4/4796]

This one is with family including father John and mother Sarah from Leicestershire.

HIRST William 9 Elizabeth 1845 Sydney and/or Newcastle and family Reel 2135, [4/4785] Page 237; Reel 2456, [4/4903]

Regards,

Dave

 

[RCHirst46]

Hi just joined found your question on John Hirst reason for joining.
Wondered why you didnt want to go with John Hirst and Mary Ann Barraclough family just been researching this family

West Yorkshire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1921
Name: John Hirst
Marriage or Bann Date: 21 May 1826
Parish: Huddersfield St Peter, St Andrew, St Mark
Spouse's Name: Mary Ann Baraclough

John Hirst father George Hirst mother is Sarah Hirst
Mary Ann Barraclough parents unknown maybe you can help born 1805 Brighouse, Huddersfield

The York Herald (York, England), Saturday, November 22, 1862; pg. 8; Issue 4699. 19th Century British Library Newspapers: Part II.
MARRIED
HIRST-JOHNSON, On the 30th August last, at St. Stephen's, Richmond,
Victoria (Australia) Mr. Wm. Hirst, of Ballarat, second son of Mr. John Hirst,
of Huddersfield, to Eliza, eldest daughter of the late Mr. Henry Johnson, of
Huddersfield.

Above From this thread

John and Mary Ann Children

1st child
Sarah Ann Hirst b 1827 Marsh Huddesfield married Henry Mander Greaves 27 Nov 1855 York came to Vic Aust 1863 died Bununyong 1909 no children


4th child 1st living son
John Hirst b1831 Marsh, Huddersfield married Mary Wilmot 1870 Vic, Aust 5 children, died Ballarat 1888

This is the John Hirst in this thread

5th child 2nd living son
William Hirst born 1834 Marsh Huddersfield cant find after 1851 census is 2nd living son of John and Mary Ann . This is the William as mentioned in this thread due to burial of his wife Eliza Johnson for some reason with his brother John Hirst above

This is the William Hirst you started this thread with

3rd child 1st son
John and Mary Ann had another William Born 1830 died 1830

6th child
Mary Ann Hirst b 1835 Marsh, Huddersfield married George Joseph Smith Greener 4 children died 1904 Chorlton, Lancashire England
this is the Mary Ann Hirst you have in another thread Mary Ann Hirst


7th child 4th daughter
Elizabeth Hirst b 1837 arrival 1862 Melb Aust, married Arthur Wilkinson Harrison 7 children died 1927 Bendigo, Vic Aust

8th child 5th daughter
Hanna Maria Victoria Hirst b 1839 Marsh Huddersfield married John James Kirkby 1859 York arrived Melb Aust 1883 with John James, 2 children William arrived with them Herbert died 1874

All info has been confirmed on my Ancestry site

I have more info on the family if interested may be this clears it all up.

Cheers Rod

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello Rod,

Thanks for posting the details but perhaps we are researching different families. It seems to be a third HIRST family in Australia because nothing there matches anything in my tree.

Just to make sure I've not missed the connection could you please fill me in on

John Hirst and Mary Ann Barraclough

When and where did they marry?

Who are the parents ?

Thanks.

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Daughters of James HIRST & Lucy WOOD of Halifax.

All four died in Victoria:

Ruth Anna & Joshua WALKER

Sarah Jane & Samuel HAIGH

Elizabeth & William MILLS

Rebecca & Richard LITTLE

 

[RCHirst46]

Hi Dave

I would like to edit the post I made, have contacted( Contact Us) on site navigation and have not received a reply can you help.

Cheers Rod

Post has been edited thanks

Rod

 

[RCHirst46]

West Yorkshire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1921
Name: John Hirst
Marriage or Bann Date: 21 May 1826
Parish: Huddersfield St Peter, St Andrew, St Mark
Spouse's Name: Mary Ann Baraclough

John Hirst father George Hirst mother is Sarah Hirst
Mary Ann Barraclough parents unknown maybe you can help born 1805 Brighouse, Huddersfield

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello Rod,

Mary Ann is not in my tree but I will try to find her parents for you. The ones in my tree born around 1805 were born at Jackson Bridge - Non-Conformist RG4 birth records. Such as:

RG4/2744
Charlotte Barraclough the Daughter of Benjamin and Esther Barraclough was born at Jackson Bridge in the Parish of Kirkburton Yorkshire March the 5 1806

There are 5 trees and none with parents for Mary Ann. One of the trees has John's parents as William HIRST and Elizabeth NORTH. I don't know if that is correct but looking at names of children: Sarah, John, William, Mary Ann, Elizabeth, ... makes me wonder. Does John's death list his parents?

I can't find a birth/baptism record for her or any clues as to her parents.

Dave