John HOWARD

[DaveHam9]

1841
Civil Parish: Carlton
County: Cambridgeshire
Registration District: Linton
Sub District: Balsham
Address: Carlton Green, Carlton Cum Willingham
HOWARD, John M 30 Shoemaker Cambridgeshire
HOWARD, Elizabeth F 30 Not born in county
HOWARD, Elizabeth F 10 Cambridgeshire
HOWARD, George M 9 Cambridgeshire
HOWARD, Elijah M 7 Cambridgeshire
HOWARD, Mary Anne F 5 Cambridgeshire
HOWARD, Emma F 3 Cambridgeshire
HOWARD, Susan F 1 Cambridgeshire
/
CHAPMAN John 25 Shoemaker


I'd like the census ref for that one please.

 

[DaveHam9]

1841
HO107 Piece 71 Folio 8 Page 10
Civil Parish: Weston Colville
County: Cambridgeshire
Registration District: Linton
Sub District: Balsham
Household Schedule No: 870
Address: Finckley Gate, Weston Colville
TAYLOR, Mary F 30 Publican Cambridgeshire
TAYLOR, William M 10 Cambridgeshire
TAYLOR, Samuel M 7 Cambridgeshire
TAYLOR, Nancy F 5 Cambridgeshire

John's wife died and Mary's husband died:

Deaths Sep 1840
TAYLOR John Linton 14 55

Deaths Sep 1841
HOWARD Elizabeth Linton 14 57


Elizabeth's maiden name WEBB. Mary's maiden name LISTER.

I can't find a marriage 1840-1848 for John & Mary:

HOWARD
John 40 Labourer Brinkley Cambridgeshire Richard & Mary mother living at Little Tallow [Thurlow] Suffolk CofEng Read None Good None
Mary 41 Housekeeper Weston Calvert Cambridgeshire John & Mary Lister both dead CofEng Read None Good None
George 16 Labourer Calton Cambridgeshire John Howard on board ship Webb mother dead
Richard 2 Hundon Suffolk Parents on board

TAYLOR
Samuel 15 Labourer Weston Calvert John Taylor & Mary Howard (mother on board) father dead CofEng Read & write
Nancy 12 Weston Calvert ditto

 

[horse]

1841 - Camb. [Howard]

Ref: ED: 6; Piece: 71; Book: 5; Folio: 10; Page: 15

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

This is John, the shoemaker arriving in 1848:

HOWARD John 40 Labourer Brinkley Cambridgeshire Richard & Mary mother living at Little Tallow [Thurlow] Suffolk CofEng Read None Good None

We have his parents fron shipping record. I've not found a baptism yet.

 

[DaveHam9]

I have 2x John. I must have made a mistake with the ref ??

1841
HO107 Piece 71 Book/Folio 5/10 Page 15
Civil Parish: Carlton
County: Cambridgeshire
Registration District: Linton
Sub District: Balsham
ED: 6
Address: Carlton Green, Carlton Cum Willingham
HOWARD, John M 30 Shoemaker Cambridgeshire
HOWARD, Elizabeth F 30 Not born in county
HOWARD, Elizabeth F 10 Cambridgeshire
HOWARD, George M 9 Cambridgeshire
HOWARD, Elijah M 7 Cambridgeshire
HOWARD, Mary Anne F 5 Cambridgeshire
HOWARD, Emma F 3 Cambridgeshire
HOWARD, Susan F 1 Cambridgeshire
/
CHAPMAN John 25 Shoemaker


This one is also HOWARD but as transcribed:

1841
HO107 Piece 71 Book/Folio 5/10 Page 15
Civil Parish: Weston Colville
County: Cambridgeshire
Registration District: Linton
Address: Finckley Gate, Weston Colville
HAYWARD, John 35 Cambridgeshire
HAYWARD, Tabitha 30 Cambridgeshire
HAYWARD, Thomas 10 Cambridgeshire
HAYWARD, James 9 Cambridgeshire
HAYWARD, John 4 Cambridgeshire
HAYWARD, Lucy 1 Cambridgeshire
SIMPKIN, John 14

 

[horse]

I did look at this one earlier, but had trouble following it

 

[DaveHam9]

One of the census ref has to be wrong. Identical but different parish.

The shoemaker you just gave me so the second ref must be wrong.


The second one was wrongly transcribed in 1841. Here they are in 1861 with the name correct:

1861
RG9 Piece 1030 Folio 70 Page 15
Civil Parish: Weston Colville
County: Cambridgeshire
Registration District: Linton
Address: Main Street, Weston Colville
HOWARD, John Head Mar 57 Ag Lab Weston Colville Cambridgeshire
HOWARD, Tabitha Wife Mar 54 Withersfield Suffolk
HOWARD, Lucy Dau 20 Weston Colville Cambridgeshire
HOWARD, Stephen Son 18 Ag Lab Weston Colville Cambridgeshire
HOWARD, William Son 16 Ag Lab Weston Colville Cambridgeshire
HOWARD, George Son 13 Ag Lab Weston Colville Cambridgeshire
HOWARD, Samuel Son 10 Ag Lab Weston Colville Cambridgeshire

 

[horse]

One of the census ref has to be wrong. Identical but different parish.

The shoemaker you just gave me so the second ref must be wrong.


The second one was wrongly transcribed in 1841. Here they are in 1861 with the name correct:

Yep, 71/10/6/6

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

I will try to find baptisms.

I think Tabitha's maiden name might be BASHAM. I don't have the marriage yet.

 

[DaveHam9]

I can't find baptism for either John or the marriage to Tabitha.

1848
HOWARD John 40 Labourer Brinkley Cambridgeshire Richard & Mary mother living at Little Tallow [Thurlow] Suffolk

I don't know when Richard died yet. I don't have either Richard or Mary in any census. I don't know where Mary might be in 1841.

I don't have the marriage of Richard to Mary LISTER.

 

[horse]

Having similar prob's...

A couple of trees have her as b. Suffolk 1807 (Basham)..

Geoff

 

[horse]

Oh!

England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906
William Basham
Christening Date: 16 Jul 1826
Christening Place: Dullingham, Cambridgeshire, England
Mother's name: Tabitha Basham

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Possible
Deaths Jun Qtr 1842
Howard Richard Risbridge 12 290

No idea:
Deaths Mar Qtr 1872
Howard Mary 94 Risbridge 4a 285

 

[DaveHam9]

Having similar prob's...

A couple of trees have her as b. Suffolk 1807 (Basham)..

Geoff

Thanks Geoff.

I can't find anything that helps.

Interesting that mother of both Johns was born Suffolk.

 

[horse]

Submitted, but does anything help?

Tabitha Basham
International Genealogical Index (IGI)

birth: 1807 Withersfield, Suffolk, England
death: 10 December 1887 Weston Colville, Cambridgeshire, England
marriage: about 1831 of Weston Colvil, Cambridgeshire, England

 

[DaveHam9]

Name: Mary Howard
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1841
Gender: Female
Age: 61
Birthplace:
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Risbridge
Sub-District: Wickhambrook
Parish: Little Thurlow
County: Suffolk

 

[horse]

Don't know what to make of this...

Name: Elisabeth Basham
Christening Date: 14 Jun 1841
Christening Place: North Creak, Norfolk, England
Mother's Name: Tabbitha Basham
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C02381-9
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 1526651

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Submitted, but does anything help?

Tabitha Basham
International Genealogical Index (IGI)

birth: 1807 Withersfield, Suffolk, England
death: 10 December 1887 Weston Colville, Cambridgeshire, England
marriage: about 1831 of Weston Colvil, Cambridgeshire, England

I'm wondering if the '1831' came from age of Thomas 10 in 1841.


Deaths Dec Qtr 1887
Howard Tabitha 80 Linton 3b 327

Already got the burial.

1881
RG11 Piece 1673 Folio 64 Page 14
Civil Parish: Weston Colville
County: Cambridgeshire
Registration District: Linton
Address: Weston Green
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Occupation Birthplace Disability
John HAYWARD Head M M 77 Parish Clerk and Thatcher Weston Colville Cambridge
Tabatha HAYWARD Wife M F 74 Withersfield Suffolk

 

[horse]

I'm wondering if the '1831' came from age of Thomas 10 in 1841.

Possible, not the first time we've seen similar assumptions

 

[DaveHam9]

I can't find Mary in 1871.

Age 94 in 1872. I checked 156x Mary in 1871 in Suffolk.

It should be the right one in post #16.


Richard born Hundon, aged 2 in 1848 shipping record:

Births Mar Qtr 1846
HOWARD Richard Risbridge 12 405