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John/Jack CUMMINS

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1913 ER for Hay NSW has Daniel Francis & Kate at Leonard street - he's an engineer

from #1 - The Riverine Grazier (Hay, NSW) Tue 2 May 1893 p.2
Birth.
CUMMINS.-On the 14th April, at Toogimbie Station, the wife of D. F. Cummins, Engineer, of a son. Both doing well.
The Riverine Grazier (Hay, NSW) - Tue 20 Jul 1915 p.2
Mr Jack Cummins, the only son of Mr & Mrs D. F. Cummins, of the Hay Water-works, has joined the Australian Expeditionary Forces, at Melbourne. Mr Jack Cummins, who is a native of Hay, was in the clerical staff of the Carlton Brewery, and has relinquished a good billet to go to the Front.
The Riverine Grazier (Hay, NSW) - Fri 30 Aug 1918 p.2
Mrs D. F. Cummins, of Blenheim, Pine street, has been advised by the military authorities that her son, Private Jack Cummins, has been wounded- second occasion. No further particulars, were furnished.


Riverina Recorder - Sat 17 Nov 1934
Mr. J. G. Cummins, of Melbourne is spending a holiday with his sister, Mrs E. A. Grabau, of "Lynwood". His portly figure has been umpiring for Burrawang.

Riverine Grazier - Fri 15 April 1932
REBNER— CUMMINS:— .OniFebruary 9th.at the church of Th£ Holy Name, New York City, by Rev. Father Meyer, Sister Kathleen, third daughter of Mrs. Cummins and the late Daniel F. Cummins, (late of Hay), to Henry S. elder son of Mrs Rebner and the late Mr. Rebner, of New York City.

Riverine Grazier - Tue 23 Feb 1954
DEATH
GETTER (Cummins):' On 19th January, at Los Angeles, California, Mary Ellen, wife of Charles Getter, loving mother of Francis, Jack, and Mildred, sister of Eileen Grabau, Balranald; Jack, Kit Rebner, New York; Doreen Johnson, Hampton, Victoria. -Aged 65 years. 'R.I.P.

on Mother Kate's death 1943 has - She is survived by one son and four daughters, two of whom are in the United States.

so John/Jack was still alive and kicking in 1943

wonder if this is him popping over to see his sister Kathleen - she was a nursing sister who went over in 1931/32..and married in 1933.
 

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ref Geoff's post #11 - John Joseph Cummins service no: 1624 has a letter from wife Monica Cummins dated 2/4/63 Leongatha, asking for copy of service discharge, catholic enlisted 9 Oct 1915 age 21 3/12 yrs in 3rd Aust Pioneer Batt, rank Sgt, mother Maria Cummins of Darraweit Guim was NOK.

need a record showing birth NSW 1893 +- and enlisting in Vic around 1915 with either Daniel or Kate as NOK
 

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Thanks Val.

Marriage 1996/1919 GRABAU EDWARD A - CUMMINS EILEEN D - HAY

I didn't have this one

Riverina Recorder - Sat 17 Nov 1934
Mr. J. G. Cummins, of Melbourne is spending a holiday with his sister, Mrs E. A. Grabau, of "Lynwood". His portly figure has been umpiring for Burrawang.

Is that Jack/John or a 2nd son who died before 1943. ?? Can't find a death that fits.


Birth 16782/1893 CUMMINS JOHN J - DANIEL F - KATE - HAY * 14 Apr 1893

There does not seem to be a service record that fits.

118x Cummings and not one born Hay.

112x Cummins and not one born Hay.

J J J born Young - KIA 1916.

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Burrawang is in NSW between Moss Vale and Robertson in southern highlands.

Oh. Where are we going?

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/141022423
The Riverine Grazier (Hay, NSW : 1873 - 1954) Tue 24 Jun 1919 Page 2 The Concert.
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Private J. G. Cummins, who returned to Hay on Saturday night, filled the place of some absentees by singing 'The Trumpeter' in good style, and in response to a hearty encore, 'Until.'

In two places we have J. G. but the marriage is Jno Josh. It's the right marriage because it's the right death

1977 VIC Electoral Roll - Henty - Bentleigh North
HODGES Nelleen Kathleen, 40 Jean St, Bntlgh 3204, hd
CUMMINS Dorothy May, 40 Jean St, Bntlgh 3204, hd

Death 6197/1978 CUMMINS Dorothy May 79 BARRACLOUGH Herbert Albert Nellie MORTIMER d. Caulfield, Vic.
 
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Going with what is known..
The Argus - Fri 21 Dec 1945
HODGES (Cummins).-On December 14, at St. Andrew's, to Nelleen and Allan-a daughter (Kaye). ,

HODGES Given names Allan Charles EventMarriage Father's name / Spouse's family name CUMMINS Mother's maiden name / Spouse's given name Nelleem Kleen Reg. year1942 Reg. no9786

Name: Daniel F Cummins - born 1901 Hay NSW
Death Date: 1904
Death Place: New South Wales
Father's name: Daniel F
Mother's name: Kate
Registration Year: 1904
Registration Place: Hay, New South Wales
Registration Number: 1593

The Age - Sat 5 March 1904 - Kate's Mother Ellen & her son
KENDALL - In fond memory of our dear mother who died 5th March 1903 at her son's residence Balaclava, also our dear little nephew Daniel Francis Cummins who died on the 29th February 1904 at his parent's residence Hay. Inserted by her loving daughter and son-in-law Fan and Andre Gray

is there 2 x Dorothy May's ? - same Reg no...

CUMMINS Jno Josh
Spouse: Mary Dory Barraclough
Marriage Place: Victoria
Year: 1920
Reg Place: Victoria
Reg number: 1936

BARRACLOUGH Dory May
Event: M
Spouse Surname: KENDALL
Spouse Gvn Names: Jack Gregory
Birth Place:
Year: 1920
Reg Place: Victoria
Reg Number: 1936

Table Talk - Thu 30 Oct 1919
The engagement is announced of Miss Dorothy May Barraclough, only daughter of Mr. and Mrs. A. H. Barraclough, of "Glenaskan," Wattletree road, East Caulfield and Collins-street, City, to Mr. Jack G. Kendall (late 5th Batt., A.I.P.), only son of the late Mr. and Mrs. Kendall, of Los Angeles, California, America.

The Argus - Sat 22 Jan 1921 - Births
KENDALL (nee Dolly Barraclough).—On the 12th January, 1921, at their residence "Glenaskam" Wattletree road, East Malvern, the wife of Mr J .G Kendall - a daughter (Nellie Kathleen )

The Argus - Fri 3 Aug 1951
BARRACLOUGH. - On August 2, at her home Flat 1 8 Bluff avenue Elwood, Nellie widow of the late Alfred beloved mother of Dorothy (Mrs Cummins) Roy (deceased) and George, mother -ln law of Wyn. grandmother of Nell (Mrs Hodges), John and Susan, great grandmother of Kaye -Treasured Memories.

letter from Jack to his Mum - Riverine Grazier Tue 7 Aug 1917

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/a...ate=New+South+Wales|||l-title=656|||l-month=8
 
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Thanks Val.

Dorothy May's mother

1937 VIC Electoral Roll - Balaclava - St Kilda West
BARRACLOUGH Nellie, 100 Grey st., home duties

1942 VIC Electoral Roll - Balaclava - Elsternwick
BARRACLOUGH Nellie, No. 1, 8 Bluff av., S.3, home duties

1949 VIC Electoral Roll - Isaacs - St Kilda
BARRACLOUGH Nellie, No. 1, 8 Bluff av., S.3, home duties

Death 9848/1951 BARRACLOUGH Nellie 74 MORTIMER Hy Laur Caroline LUSH d. Elwood, Vic.


We have been here before and eliminated J G for some reason. We have more from Trove this time around.

KENDALL Jack Gregory : Service Number - 6521 : Place of Birth - Maryborough QLD : Place of Enlistment - Melbourne VIC : Next of Kin - (Sister) HUGHES R A

Perhaps last time we didn't realise Kendall was Kate's maiden name? So J G would be probably Kate's nephew who as Cummins became an 'adopted' son. ??

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Can't see the marriage to Andre Gray in Qld., NSW or Vic.


KENDALL Ellen EventDeath Father Mccarthy David Mother's maiden name Cath (Unknown) Reg. year1903 Reg. no3679

Death 993/1943 CUMMINS KATE - ROBERT HENRY - ELLEN - BALRANALD * 25 Jan 1943


HEWS = HUGHES

Marriage 3941/1901 HEWS ROBERT A - KENDALL SARAH E - HAY


Be back later.

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It seems rather odd that there are 2 marriage records for Dorothy May/Mary in 1920 - 1 to a Kendall and other to Cummins.

Then no service record for Cummins but 1 for Kendall and when looking at his medical records also has wounded - GSW to face 12/5/17 - could Jack Kendall be John Cummins?, his sister as NOK Mrs R A Hughes Whitton NSW & his address at time of enlisting is 17 Princes Terrace, St Kilda Rd Melb - parents dec and he was also a Clerk. religion RC - if he's son of Robert & Ellen nee McCarthy - then Mother was dead but father very much alive... I think he told some porkies to get into the Service.... has been known to happen. and on the marriage in 1920 saying son from USA - notice there's no initials to check on...

no John/Jack G Kendall on Qld BMD 1891-1893 and 1 x John in 1894 to John Kendall & Martha nee Harding - no marriages in Qld or NSW for a Kendall to Hughes by 1916

Martha died 1 Nov 1926 age 86 Qld - no mention of sister Mrs Hughes in funeral notice or of any Cummins
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/a...state=Queensland|||l-decade=192|||l-year=1926
John Kendall died 7 Nov 1907 Julia Creek - killed by train.

ref your post above #28 - Riverina Times Hay - Mon 6 May 1901
Wedding. — On Friday afternoon last Mr R. Hews, son of 'Mr J. Hews, saddler, of our town was united in wedlock to Miss S. Kendall, daughter of 'Mr Kendall, also of Hay. The happy couple left by coach for Melbourne to spend their honeymoon. We wish the young couple a long life of happiness.

Name Sarah Ellen Kendall
Birth Date Abt 1879
Birth Place Costerfield, Victoria
Registration Year 1879
Registration Place Victoria, Australia
Father Robert Henry Kendall
Mother Ellen Mccarty
Registration Number 1828

No John/Jack Gregory Kendall listed as brother...

Mother Ellen died 5 March 1903 6 Gibbs Street Balaclava Vic with mention of daughter Mrs D.F. Cummins.

death of Father - Robert Henry Kendall - The Argus Sat 22 Dec 1923
KENDALL -On 17th December at his daughter's residence, Mordialloc, Robert Henry, loving father of Kate (Mrs. D. F. Cummins), Fanny (Mrs. A. C. Gray), D. J., M. A., S. S., and Sarah (Mrs. R. Hews), in his 81st year. (Interred privately St. Kilda Cemetery, 19th December.)

those initials mentioned:
David John b 1871 -1944. married Bridget Ellen Carmody 24/6/1896 Hay NSW

Jack/John Kendall????

Mary Ann b 1873 - 1952., never married died aged 89 yrs Kew Vic

Samuel Shepherd b 1876 - 1955. married Emily Pinning 1901 Narrandra NSW

Sarah's death:
Name Sarah Ellen Hews
Birth Year abt 1879
Age 88
Death Place Bendigo, Victoria
Father's Name Robert Xendall
Mother's Name Ellen Mccarthy
Registration Year 1967
Registration Place Victoria
Registration Number 1567

HEWS ROBERT A 19110/1920 JOSEPH - ALICE - NARRANDERA

Murrumbidgee Irrigator - Fri 22 June 1945 - KILLED IN ACTION
Pte. Robert Kendall (Roy) Hews Recent Official Report: — Killed In action, in Malaya, on Jany. 19th, 1942, PTE. ROBERT KENDALL. (ROY) HEWS, son of Mrs. Sara E. Hews, of Farm 853, Nth. Gogeldrie, and the late Mr. Robert Hews. R.I.P.
 

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Name Fannie Ellzabeth Gray
Birth Year abt 1869
Age 86
Death Place Glen, Victoria
Father's Name Robert Kendall
Mother's Name Ellen Mccarthy
Registration Year 1955
Registration Place Victoria
Registration Number 6743

Name: Fannie Elizth Kendall
Spouse Name: Chas Andrew Gray
Marriage Place: Victoria
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Year: 1900
Registration Number: 3256

The Argus - Tue 16 Oct 1956
GRAY. - On October 12, at Cheltenham. Andrew Charles, beloved husband of the late Fannie Elizabeth, loved father of Robert, Norman, and Jean, aged 86 years.

The Argus - Fri 1 July 1955
GRAY. — On June 28, at a private hospital-. Fannie Elizabeth, dearly loved wife of Andrew Charles, loving mother of Robert, Norman and Jean, grandma of Betty. —Peacefully sleeping.
 

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Thanks Val.

Not an easy one to work out.

Enlisted as Kendall with Mrs 'Hughes' as a sister. He should then be the son of Robert Henry Kendall and Ellen McCarthy, but no birth in Qld. index.

The letters to Maria have him as 'son' Jack Cummins. Is he Maria's son?

But the birth fits in the middle of the children born to Daniel & Maria.

Birth 16782/1893 CUMMINS JOHN J DANIEL F KATE HAY * 14 Apr 1893

The Riverine Grazier (Hay, NSW) - Tue 2 May 1893 p.2
Birth.
CUMMINS.-On the 14th April, at Toogimbie Station, the wife of D. F. Cummins, Engineer, of a son. Both doing well.

If that's the birth why say Mrs Hughes is a sister and why enlist as Kendall?

If it's the 1893 birth then Sarah is not a sister.

No death in NSW or Vic 1893 to 1917 for a J Cummins with mother = Kate.

So we have a birth for a J Cummins and no birth for a J Kendall.

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We know Kate (Mrs D F Cummins) and Sarah (Mrs R A Hews) are sisters - daughters of Robert Henry Kendall & Ellen McCarthy.

So how can Jack be both a sister of Sarah and a son of Kate?

The last one I can find so would be a huge gap to 1893.

Birth 1883 KENDALL Ellen Shepherd Robert Ellen McCARTY b. #8415
 
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am as confused as you Dave... without seeing the marriage cert for 1920 on both Kendall & Cummins to see whats recorded.. still feel he told some porkies to enlist without Kate's blessing using her sister as NOK..
as for visit to USA, Kate's 2 daughter's were over there.
 

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Ok, born 1893 Hay, to Daniel and Kate. Enlists as Jack Gregory Kendall - but that is not recorded as a known alias - and writes to his mother Kate. Appears in the press as Private Jack Cummins.

Returns to Australia but in the engagement notice he is still J G Kendall- why?

Death aft 1943.

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1942 VIC Electoral Roll - Balaclava - Elsternwick
BARRACLOUGH Nellie, No. 1, 8 Bluff av., S.3, home duties

1949 VIC Electoral Roll - Isaacs - St Kilda
BARRACLOUGH Nellie, No. 1, 8 Bluff av., S.3, home duties


1943 VIC Electoral Roll - Balaclava - Elsternwick
CUMMINS Dorothy May, No.1, 8 Bluff av., S.3., home duties

1949 VIC Electoral Roll - Isaacs - St. Kilda
CUMMINS Dorothy May, No.1, 8 Bluff av., S.3., assistant
 

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1913 NSW Electoral Roll - MURRAY - HAY POLLING-PLACE
CUMMINS Daniel Francis, Leonard-street, engineer
CUMMINS Kate, Leonard-street, domestic duties
 
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