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John JOHNSTON

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Hello,

I've had a John SMITH in England, son of John and a William WILLIAMS, son of William in Wales so here is a John JOHNSTON, son of John in Scotland.


The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848-1954) - Saturday 26 January 1867 p.4
DEATHS
JOHNSTON.-On the 22nd October, at his father's residence, Crook, Rendall, Orkney, after a lingering illness, Captain John Johnston, late of No. 4 Howard-street, West Melbourne. Deeply regretted by his wife and a large circle of friends.

According to the funeral notice his spouse was Ann yet her death reg has Mary Ann:

Surname: JOHNSTON
Given Names: Mary Ann
Event: D
Father: Shaw Daniel
Mother: Mary Ann MAGIN
Age: 24
Birth Place: DERR
Year: 1867
Reg Number: 11552


I don't know yet where and when they married. A son John would have been born about 1850-1855 but I don't know where.

I don't know if the father of the one who died back in Scotland is another John or not but still living in 1867 and I hope still living in 1871. The John who died in Scotland was at one time living in Peterhead, Aberdeen before he came to Victoria. I have no age at death for either John or his spouse.

Am I on the right board? Depends what my question is. ;)

Looking in 1841 and 1851 there are very few JOHNSTONs in Evie & Rendall.

Possibly:

http://www.britishlistedbuildings.co.uk/sc-12715-crook-farm-house-evie-and-rendall/osmap


Please see if a male JOHNSTON probably aged about 65 can be found in Crook, Rendall in 1871.

I'm thinking possibly unknown b. abt 1805, John b. abt 1830, John b. abt 1855 who married 1875 in Victoria.

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Hello Woody,

Thank you very much. That is a great help.

Better revise the rough date of births I listed then.

So a Thomas JOHNSTON + YORKSTON marriage

and a John JOHNSTON + Ann SHAW marriage

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John Johnstone
Scotland Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
birth: 26 May 1819 EVIE AND RENDALL,​ORKNEY,​SCOTLAND
residence: 1819 Orkn,​ Scotland
parents: Thomas Johnstone,​ Isabella Yorstone
 

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Only one I've found so far but not the right one.

groom's name: William Johnston
groom's birth date:
groom's birthplace:
groom's age:
bride's name: Isobella Yorston
bride's birth date:
bride's birthplace:
bride's age:
marriage date: 27 Dec 1821
marriage place: Hoy And Graemsay,Orkney,Scotland
groom's father's name:
groom's mother's name:
bride's father's name:
bride's mother's name:
groom's race:
groom's marital status:
groom's previous wife's name:
bride's race:
bride's marital status:
bride's previous husband's name:
indexing project (batch) number: M11020-4
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: 990502
reference number:
 
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Found some info but no sign of the marriage and no mention of a death for Thomas:

Name: Thomas JOHNSTON
Birth: 1781 in Evie and Rendall,Orkney Islands

1841 Age 55, farmer, living at Foulquoy with his wife Isabella (Yorston) and children Christian, Jean, Jacob and Margaret.

1851 Age 69, farmer of 130 acres at Crook, living with wife Isabella and children Jean, Jacob and Margaret.

1861 Age 80, farmer of 88 acres at Crook, widower, living with son Jacob and daughters Jane (Jean), and Margaret.

John went back home to Crook and died there so who was living at home in 1871? Possibly some other family if Thomas also died before 1871 and all the daughters had married and were living elsewhere.
 

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I wonder if the JOHNSTON + SHAW marriage was in Victoria. :confused:

What I'm aiming for is the birth of John around 1850 who married in Sydney in 1875.

The Sydney Morning Herald - Saturday 11 September 1875 p.1
MARRIAGES
JOHNSTON-RILEY.-September 4, by the Rev. T. Gainford, at the Mariners' Church, John Johnston, youngest son of the late Captain John Johnston, Peterhead, Scotland, to Rachel Mary Ann Kemp Riley, youngest daughter of William Riley, of this city.


Well now, this birth/baptism church record in NSW but no sign of the marriage:

V18552039 72/1855 JOHNSTON JOHN - JOHN - ANN
 
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This does not add up:

Surname: JOHNSTON
Given Names: Mary Ann
Event: D
Father: Shaw Daniel
Mother: Mary Ann MAGIN
Age: 24
Birth Place: DERR
Year: 1867
Reg Number: 11552

How could that one be the death of John's spouse Ann unless age is way out. ???

This marriage at JA = Scots Church in Sydney fits:

V1848463 78/1848 JOHNSTON JOHN - MICHIN ANN

V18481156 73B/1848 JOHNSTON JOHN - MICHIN ANN
 

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I'm confused by SHAW - the image (of death reg for Capt John) is more like Ann Stretton or Seatton ? - perhaps you could post it for help, I'm useless at doing that!
I'm only just catching up - have the 1851 & 1861 census which agree with your post, I see you've found those but where is your Ann Shaw coming from?
 
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Hello Woody,

Thanks for the image. I found those census bits on a tree. My latest thought is that Mary Ann SHAW is not the spouse and that it is an error. Perhaps it was the only reg in that year that seemed to match the death notice in the paper which correctly called her Ann.

The name looks like SEATTON to me.

Looks as though Jacob has taken over the farm in 1871.

NSW BMD server is down again. The marriage might not be in NSW but in Victoria and I have no access to Victorian marriages. I can't find the marriage in Scotland so far. There is a connection to Peterhead, Aberdeen but John may have been living there at a time. Don't know if it included any census years or not. The impression from the newspaper article in Victoria is that he originated from there.

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This looks like the marriage ref Dave - haven't viewed full info as pre 1855 gives little other than reference - not parents etc. as on the post 1855 certs.

28/02/1848 JOHNSTON JOHN ANN SEATTER/ M EVIE AND RENDALL /ORKNEY 016/00 0020 0159
 

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There is only one John Johnston birth in "your" area between 1848 - 1855, 10 in Orkney same period but no matches and other areas are too numerous to look at.

25/06/1848 JOHNSTON JOHN BEATTIE ALEXANDER JOHNSTON/CHRISTIAN JOHNSTON FR191 M EVIE AND RENDALL /ORKNEY 016/00 0020 0060
 

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Thanks Woodie. That's enough, no need for the full thing. :)

That means this is not the marriage in Sydney and also probably means this baptism fits the other couple and is not the one I want:

V18481156 73B/1848 JOHNSTON JOHN MICHIN ANN JA= Scots Church Sydney


Birth/baptism # V18552039 72/1855 JOHNSTON JOHN JOHN ANN
 
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So marriage in Orkney in 1848 and John is the youngest son who married in 1875, age unknown but spouse born abt 1855 (that one not found either so far).

No details about how many but John was not the first born son. John senior spent some time in Peterhead then ended up in Victoria.

I can see no John born abt 1819 in Orkney in Orkney in 1851 who fits. EDIT: Coverage 11%

I can see no John born abt 1819 in Orkney in Aberdeen in 1851 who fits.

I can see no John born abt 1819 in Orkney in 1851 anywhere in Scotland who fits.

John senior was a sea captain so searching for spouse Ann in 1851 instead.


FreeCEN seem to have Birsay but very few Evie and Rendall records. Coverage of Orkney in 1851 is 11%. Coverage for Aberdeen in 1851 is 86%.

I'm stuck.
 
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Probable:

Ann Seatter
Scotland Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
birth: 18 Sep 1824
christening: 30 Sep 1824 EVIE AND RENDALL,​ORKNEY,​SCOTLAND
residence: 1824 Orkn,​ Scotland
parents: William Seatter,​ Lydia Flett


Two others:

Ann Seater
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christening: 21 Sep 1823 WESTRAY AND PAPA WESTRAY,​ORKNEY,​SCOTLAND
residence: Orkn,​ Scotland
parents: Robert Seater,​ Ann Drever

Ann Seater
Scotland Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
christening: 31 Dec 1826 WESTRAY AND PAPA WESTRAY,​ORKNEY,​SCOTLAND
residence: Orkn,​ Scotland
parents: Thomas Seater,​ Euphan Rendall
 

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Hello Woody,

Thanks for the census listings.

A summary:

John married Ann in Orkney in 1848. At some stage he was a sea captain living in Peterhead, Aberdeen. They ended up in Victoria, date unknown.

They had at least two sons, the youngest being John who married in Sydney in 1875.

The Sydney Morning Herald - Saturday 11 September 1875 p.1
MARRIAGES
JOHNSTON-RILEY.-September 4, by the Rev. T. Gainford, at the Mariners' Church, John Johnston, youngest son of the late Captain John Johnston, Peterhead, Scotland, to Rachel Mary Ann Kemp Riley, youngest daughter of William Riley, of this city.


The death in Orkney in 1867 is recorded in a newspaper in Victoria, listing his late residence and describing him as Captain John Johnston.

Now, do we have TWO Captain John JOHNSTONs? It has been assumed the one mentioned in the marriage notice is the one mentioned in the Victorian paper. The funeral notice for Ann in 1867 lists the same Melbourne address.
 
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I can see no death for John in Peterhead 1855 - 1876 but there are 32 in other parts of Aberdeen.

The problem with the death of John junior is that only his father is recorded as John, no mother listed.


Piece: SCT1851/232 Place: Peterhead -Aberdeenshire Enumeration District: 6
Civil Parish: Peterhead Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 174 Page: 6 Schedule: 32
Address: 5 Crooked Lane
Surname First name(s) Rel Status *** Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
JOHNSTON Agnes Wife M F 26 Ship Carpenter's Wife Aberdeenshire - Peterhead
Page: 174/7
JOHNSTON Thomas Son - M 4 Carpenter's Son Aberdeenshire - Peterhead
JOHNSTON John Son - M 2 Aberdeenshire - Peterhead

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Piece: SCT1851/232 Place: Peterhead -Aberdeenshire Enumeration District: 1
Civil Parish: Peterhead-Burgh Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 174 Page: 6 Schedule: 7
Address: Union Street
Surname First name(s) Rel Status *** Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
JOHNSTON Mary Head M F 32 Seaman's Wife Ireland - (-)
JOHNSTON Mary Dau - F 9 Scholar Aberdeenshire - Peterhead
JOHNSTON Matilda Dau - F 5 Scholar Aberdeenshire - Peterhead
JOHNSTON Margt. Dau - F 3 Aberdeenshire - Peterhead
JOHNSTON William Son - M 1 Lanarkshire - Glasgow
LAWRENCE Christian Servnt U F 16 General Servant Aberdeenshire - Peterhead
 
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