John & Margaret CULLEN

[DaveHam9]

John Thomas is the connection to my tree by marriage to Alice Grace SANDS.

Birth 3213/1870 CULLEN JOHN THOMAS - JOHN JAMES - MARGARET - NEWTOWN * 31 Mar

The Sydney Morning Herald - Tuesday 19 June 1888 p.14
Funerals.
THE FRIENDS of Mr. J. CULLEN are respectfully invited to attend the Funeral of his deceased beloved WIFE, Margaret, to move from his residence, Denison-street, Newtown, THIS (Tuesday) AFTERNOON, at 2 o'clock, for the Roman Catholic Cemetery, Necropolis. Mrs. P. KIRBY, Undertaker, 65 and 84, Hunter-street, Sydney; and 12, Enmore-road, Newtown.

Cullen Margaret 29 19/06/1888 SEC*M1*F**400 Burial

1903 NSW Electoral roll - PARKES - STANMORE POLLING-PLACE
CULLEN Alice Grace, Stafford street, Stanmore, domestic duties
CULLEN John Thomas, Mylora, Stafford street, Stanmore, manager
CULLEN Frances, Mylora, Stafford street, Stanmore, domestic duties
CULLEN John, Mylora, Stafford street, Stanmore, gentleman
CULLEN Richard, Mylora, Stafford street, Stanmore, carter

The Sydney Morning Herald - Wednesday 29 June 1904 p.16
DEATHS
CULLEN.-June 28, 1904, at Royal Prince Alfred Hospital, John Cullen, aged 66 years.

CULLEN.-The Friends of Mr and Mrs. JOHN T., Mr. and Mrs. JAMES F., and Mr. RICHARD and Miss FRANCES CULLEN are respectfully invited to attend the Funeral of their late dearly loved FATHER, to leave 70 College-street, Camperdown, THIS AFTERNOON at 1.45, for the Necropolis, via Newtown Station.
COFFILL and COMPANY, Central Office, Rawson-place.

John does not seem to be buried at RC Rookwood. ??


That's the right death for John but is it the right death for Margaret?

Also, is this the marriage?

290/1869 CULLEN JOHN - MYLETT MARGARET - SYDNEY

Thanks,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

The only progress with this one is that the MYLETT name exists in the very early days of the colony of NSW, but no birth for Margaret in the index.

Known facts

Birth 3213/1870 CULLEN JOHN THOMAS - JOHN JAMES - MARGARET - NEWTOWN * 31 Mar

John's death and buried somewhere at Rookwood.

The Sydney Morning Herald - Wednesday 29 June 1904 p.16
DEATHS
CULLEN.-June 28, 1904, at Royal Prince Alfred Hospital, John Cullen, aged 66 years.

 

[DaveHam9]

Can a tree be found to rule the 1869 marriage in or out?

 

[trace]

The trees I can see have a
John Thomas Cullen born 1 Jan 1872 Timaru NZ
married in 1896 at Granville NSW
to Alice Grace Sands

No parents named for John T

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks trace.

Have not seen ref to birth in NZ before.

Age at death fits 1870 better than 1872. I don't know if we have one or two families with these births:

3213/1870 CULLEN JOHN THOMAS - JOHN JAMES - MARGARET - NEWTOWN * 31 Mar
1360/1873 CULLEN JAMES FRANCIS - JOHN JAMES - MARGARET - SYDNEY
1024/1875 CULLEN FRANCES - JOHN - MARGARET - SYDNEY
2198/1878 CULLEN FRANK - JOHN - MARGARET - SYDNEY
2189/1881 CULLEN JULIA - JOHN - MARGARET - SYDNEY
9276/1886 CULLEN JOHN J - JOHN J - MARGARET - NEWTOWN


The 1904 death for John (not John J or John James) fits for the father of the John Thomas born 1870 Newtown.

If the John Thomas who died in 1946 Newtown was the one born in NZ then parents are John & Margaret or both names are incorrect.

There should then be a death with same parents for the one born 1870 Newtown.

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

NZ births
1870/31685 Cullen Jessie Stacey - Mary Ann - George
1872/12180 Cullen John Thomas - Mary Ann - George
1874/21075 Cullen Georgina - Mary Ann - George

 

[DaveHam9]

John was buried 1904 at Rookwood - Not RC but don't know what portion.


The Sydney Morning Herald - Friday 5 July 1946 p.16
FUNERALS
CULLEN.-The Relatives and Friends of Mrs. Alice Grace Cullen also of Mr. and Mrs. Alban Cullen and Family are invited to attend the Funeral of her dearly beloved Husband, their dear Father, Father-in-law, Grandfather and Great Grandfather, John Thomas, to leave our Funeral Chapel, 84 Blaxland Road, Ryde, This Friday, at 3.30 p.m. for the Northern Suburbs Crematorium.
Thomas Dixon Pty. Ltd. (A.F.D.A.)


The Sands family was not RC although a few of them did marry into RC families.

 

[DaveHam9]

The one who died in 1946 does not have parents matching the 1872 NZ birth. Age also does not match as well as the one born Newtown 1870 with parents that match.


The Sydney Morning Herald - Tuesday 19 June 1888 p.14
Funerals.
THE FRIENDS of Mr. J. CULLEN are respectfully invited to attend the Funeral of his deceased beloved WIFE, Margaret, to move from his residence, Denison-street, Newtown, THIS (Tuesday) AFTERNOON, at 2 o'clock, for the Roman Catholic Cemetery, Necropolis. Mrs. P. KIRBY, Undertaker, 65 and 84, Hunter-street, Sydney; and 12, Enmore-road, Newtown.

Margaret was RC. Is J. Cullen the same John who died in 1904 and is not buried in RC cemetery with his wife?

The Sydney Morning Herald - Wednesday 29 June 1904 p.16
FUNERALS
CULLEN.-The Friends of the deceased Mr. JOHN CULLEN are respectfully invited to attend his Funeral, to leave his late residence, 70 College-street, Camperdown, THIS AFTERNOON, at 1.45, for the Necropoils, via Newtown Station
COFFILL and COMPANY.

 

[DaveHam9]

1903 NSW Electoral roll - PARKES - STANMORE POLLING-PLACE
CULLEN Alice Grace, Stafford street, Stanmore, domestic duties
CULLEN John Thomas, Mylora, Stafford street, Stanmore, manager
CULLEN Frances, Mylora, Stafford street, Stanmore, domestic duties
CULLEN John, Mylora, Stafford street, Stanmore, gentleman
CULLEN Richard, Mylora, Stafford street, Stanmore, carter

1903 CULLEN James Francis ??

1913 NSW Electoral Roll - LEICHHARDT - LEICHHARDT POLLING-PLACE
2062 CULLEN Alice Grace, 86 Elswick street, domestic duties
2069 CULLEN John Thomas, 86 Elswick-street, butcher
2073 CULLEN Richard, 86 Elswick-street, coachman


Death 4802/1914 CULLEN RICHARD - JOHN - MARGARET - SYDNEY

 

[DaveHam9]

I would say the Electoral rolls show the family, minus Margaret and plus Alice Grace so it has to be the John Thomas born 1870 Newtown.

So, back to the question. Is this the marriage and can a birth be found for that Margaret and do parents agree with 1888 death?

290/1869 CULLEN JOHN - MYLETT MARGARET - SYDNEY

1888 Margaret buried RC Rookwood but 1904 John not.

 

[Ellie7]

John Thomas Cullen
Gender Male
Birth Date 30 Mar 1870
Birthplace Newtown, New South Wales, Australia
Father's Name John James Cullen
Mother's Name Margaret Mylett
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John Cullen
Gender Male
Wife Agnes Cullen
Child Tom Frederick Cullen

Other information in the record of Tom Frederick Cullen

from Australia, Sydney Branch Genealogical Library, Cemetery Inscriptions

Name Tom Frederick Cullen
Event Type Burial
Event Date 26 Dec 1912
Event Place Sydney, New South Wales, Australia
Burial Place Tweed Heads
Age 15
Birth Date 11 Jul 1897
Father's Name John Cullen
Mother's Name Agnes Cullen

Ellie

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Ellie.

That's an extracted record and the only one for the children so possibly connected to a church baptism.

NSW BMD have the date as 31 Mar. It can't be a baptism date on BMD because only the V records are baptisms. All records without the 'V' prefix and the Volume are births.

It is the right John Thomas so the right marriage and therefore the right death for Margaret. She is not in the 1903 roll.

John is not on the Deceased Estates Index on NSW Records.

I'd still like to find where John is buried in Rookwood. He is not in the index for RC with Margaret.

Dave

 

[horse]

That's the right death for John but is it the right death for Margaret?

May not be much help, but are also these burials for a Margaret at Rookwood..

Cullen Margaret 54 10/12/1893 SEC*M1*5**291 Burial
Cullen Margaret 50 30/04/1904 SEC*M1*F**1088 Burial

Probably discount the 1904 burial if she is not around in 1903.

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

Death 4933/1893 CULLEN MARGARET - EDWARD - MARGARET - CENTRAL CUMBERLAND * 9 Dec 1893

Can't find a notice in TROVE

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CULLEN Margaret Funeral notice 29APR1904 Funeral at Sacred Heart Hospice, Darlinghurst Sydney Morning Herald 29APR1904

Married to a Peter Cullen.

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Cullen Margaret 54 10/12/1893 SEC*M1*5**291 Burial
Cullen James 1 27/02/1874 SEC*M1*5**291 Burial

Cullen Kate 3 21/11/1873 SEC*M1*5**292 Burial
Cullen Patrick 18 19/02/1882 SEC*M1*5**292

Death 2301/1874 CULLEN JAMES - JAMES - MARGARET - GLEBE


Death 1565/1873 CULLEN KATE - STEPHEN - KATE - SYDNEY
Death 3384/1882 CULLEN PATRICK - STEPHEN - CATHERINE - GLEBE