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John Marshall SANDS

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Hello crankypants,

Of course, it's time for one to turn up again in my tree. :D

John Marshall SANDS b. 1857 Glebe d. 1943 Bexley

married 1880 Woollahra

Cecelia SCOTT b. 1850 d. 1915 Qld.

1919 QLD Electoral Roll - Oxley - Brisbane South
SANDS John Marshall, The Manse, 169 Vulture St., Congregational minister

1936 N.S.W Electoral Roll - Lang - Arncliffe
SANDS John Marshall, 26 Sackville street, Congregational minister
Woronora Cemetery
Surname: SANDS Type: Ashes
First Name: JOHN Other Names: MARSHALL
Date of Death: 27/06/1943 Interred Date:
Location Section Position
Old Section FAMILY ROSE GARDEN 38 0007

Death # 1915/B21372 SANDS Cecilia George SCOTT - ** born New South Wales aged 63 years

SANDS Cecelia Death notice 12JUN1915 Death at Congregational Manse, South Brisbane SMH 15JUN1915

South Brisbane Cemetery
Sands Cecilia 14 / 06 / 1915 Unknown

Please see what you can find. Thanks.

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Hi Dave

• Sydney University Calendar 1887
MEMBERS OF THE UNIVERSITY
SECOND YEAR
Sands, John Marshall

• New South Wales PO Directory 1900 (Wise)
Hunter's Hill
Sands Rev. J.M. [Cong.], Alexandra street

• Queensland Government Gazette Consolidated Index 1859-1919
Surname: Sands
Given Name: J. M.
Title:
Location:
Topic: Minister of Religion, Authorised to Celebrate Marriages
Pages: 2126
Volume: CIII
Year: 1914

• South Brisbane Cemetery Monumental Inscriptions
Name: Cecilia Sands
Title:
Birth Date:
Death Date: 12 June 1915
Age:
Comments: Wife of Rev. John M. SANDS
Portion: 4

• Queensland, Australia, Electoral Roll 1922
Name:John Marshall Sands
Title:
Place of Living: The Manse, 169 Vulture st.
Occupation: Congregational minister
Gender: M
Division: Oxley
Sub Division: South Brisbane
Number: 4717

also (not sure, did he go to S.A)

• South Australian Directory 1902 (Sands)
Sands Rev J. M., B.A. (Cong), Unley rd, Malvern

• South Australia PO Directory 1903 (Wise)
Sands Rev. J. M. (Cong.), Unley rd, Malvern
Sands Rev. J. M. B.A. Manthorpe Memorial church, Unley

Additions

• Ministers of Religion 1912
New South Wales Government Gazette No. 16 31st Jan 1912
Ministers of Religion Registered
Congregational Church - Independents
SANDS, John Marshall Reverend B.A. King Edward street Rockdale

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Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much. Wow. :D Yes, he was also in South Australia. :) Son Stanley Milton b. 1891 was in PAC Cadets in Adelaide when he was in his teens.

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William Marshall SANDS b. 1916 Bexley

Enlisted Paddington, NSW 10 Jul 1940 - S/N NX54008 Bombardier 2/9 Field Rgt - NOK Sands, Reginald living
at Croydon Park, NSW - Discharged 12 Dec 1945.

Married Margaret ???

Please see what you can find. Thanks.

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Hello crankypants,

http://www.ulladulla.info/history/methodist.html
"James Warden gave a talk about the beginning of the church at a farewell social tea to Rev. Sands in October 1896."


Probably from SANDS Directories
1880 SANDS John Marshall Upholsterer 120 Queen St WOOLLAHRA
1882 SANDS John Marshall & David Upholsterers Old South Head Rd WAVERLEY
1883 SANDS John Marshall & David Furniture Dealers Queen St WOOLLAHRA
1883 SANDS J M Upholstery Works Trickett St WOOLLAHRA ? [Frickett]

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Hi Dave

Sending E/R's. Marriage between 1944-1949. Can't see them in NSW index so probably QLD.

The Sydney Morning Herald... Thursday 21 December 1944
SANDS-GATFIELD.-The Engagement is announced of Margaret Daphne, youngest daughter of Mr. and Mrs. George Gatfield, of Toowoomba (Qld.), to Bombardier William Marshall Sands (A.I.F.). eldest son of Mr. and Mrs. (Bill R. Sands), of Lane Cove.

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Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much. Oh. I've posted the son before the father. (No religious connotation) :D

This is William Marshall's father. I didn't know his nickname was 'Bill' ???

Reginald David SANDS b. 1886 Paddington d. 1966 St Leonards

married 1914 Rockdale

Bessie Louise MASTON b. 1893 Waterloo d. 1984 Bowral

1936 N.S.W Electoral Roll - Parkes - Enfield
SANDS Bessie Louise, 9 The Parade, Enfield, home duties
SANDS Reginald David, 9 The Parade, Enfield, salesman
SANDS Bessie Louise Death notice 16OCT1984 Death 91 late of Bowral, formerly of Bexley SMH 18OCT1984

SANDS - Bessie Louise - October 16, 1984 at nursing home, late of Bowral, formerly of Bexley, beloved wife of Reginald (deceased), loving mother and mother-in-law of Bill & Margaret, Keith & Daphne, Nancye & Garth Deller, and loved grandmother and great-grandmother of their families. Aged 91 years.

Please see what you can find. Thanks.

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Hello crankypants,

I'm not sure if it's 21 but the street and suburb are correct:

1954 N.S.W Electoral Roll - Werriwa - Como
SANDS William Marshall, 21 Venetia street, Sylvania, salesman
SANDS Margaret Daphne, 21 Venetia street, Sylvania, home duties

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Hi Dave

Images sent.

1913 N.S.W Electoral Roll – ASHFIELD - LIVERPOOL-ROAD POLLING-PLACE
649 Sands Cecilia Holden-street domestic duties
650 Sands John Marshall Holden-street clergyman
651 Sands Reginald David Holden-street warehouseman
652 Sands William George Holden-street clergyman

1913 N.S.W Electoral Roll - BURWOOD—CROYDON POLLING-PLACE
1120 Sands Cecelia Young-street domestic duties
1121 Sands John Marshall Young-street clergyman
1122 Sands Stanley Melton Young-street teacher of elocution
1123 Sands Reginald David Young-street warehouse man
1124 Sands William George Young-street clergyman

1913 N.S.W Electoral Roll - ST. GEORGE-BEXLEY POLLING-PLACE
1555 Sands Florence Denmore-street domestic duties
1556 Sands John Scott Denmore-street accountant

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Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much.

William George SANDS b. 1881 Waverley d. 1955 Chatswood

married 1913 Randwick

Bertha May CHALCRAFT b. 1887 d. 1966 St Leonards

1936 N.S.W Electoral Roll - Warringah - Camaray
SANDSWilliam George, 75 Ridge street, Minister
SANDS Bertha May, 75 Ridge street, home duties
SANDS John Charles, 75 Ridge street, clerk
Please see what you can find. Thanks.

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Hi Dave

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• Queensland Government Gazette Consolidated Index 1859-1919
Surname: Sands
Given Name: W. G.
Title: Rev.
Location:
Topic: Authorised to Celebrate Marriages
Pages: 485
Volume: LXXXVIII
Year: 1907

• Ministers of Religion 1912
New South Wales Government Gazette No. 16 31st Jan 1912
Ministers of Religion Registered
Congregational Church - Independents
SANDS, William George Reverend B.A. King Edward street Rockdale

• Queensland Government Gazette Consolidated Index 1859-1919
Surname: Sands
Given Name: W. G.
Title:
Location:
Topic: Minister of Religion, Authorised to Celebrate Marriages
Pages: 1744
Volume: CI
Year: 1913

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Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much.

John Charles SANDS b. 1915 Qld. d. 1992 Cronulla

married 1942 N Sydney

Heather Anderson HALL b. abt 1917 d. 2009 Heathcote

SANDS John Charles Death notice 04DEC1992 Death late of Cronulla SMH 05DEC1992
...husband of Peggy [nickname]

Woronora Cemetery
Surname: SANDS Type: Ashes
First Name: JOHN Other Names: CHARLES
Date of Death: 04/12/1992 Interred Date:
Location Section Position
Wall Of Memories PANEL 27 - GG 0196

SANDS Heather (Peggy) Death notice 27APR2009 Death 92 at John Paul Village, Heathcote, late of Cronulla SMH 29APR2009

Woronora cemetery
Surname: SANDS Type: Ashes
First Name: HEATHER Other Names: ANDERSON
Date of Death: 27/04/2009 Interred Date:
Location Section Position
Wall of Memories PANEL 27 - GG 0197

Please see what you can find. Thanks.

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Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much. Please check SA for a birth for Heather Anderson HALL. Thanks. No entry in NSW for around 1917.


John Scott SANDS b. 1883 Waverley d. 1944 Sydney

married 1909 Unley

Florence Lillian C SHANKS b. 1878 Adelaide d. 1965 Belair

1943 N.S.W Electoral Roll - Lang - Arncliffe
SANDS Florence Lillian, 26 Sackville street, Bexley, home duties
SANDS John Scott, 26 Sackville street, Bexley, accountant
Woronora Cemetery
Surname: SANDS Type: Ashes
First Name: JOHN Other Names: SCOTT
Date of Death: 15/02/1944 Interred Date:
Location Section Position
Crematorium Area FAMILY ROSE GARDEN 57 0017

The Sydney Morning Herald - Thursday 17 February 1944
DEATHS
SANDS -February 15, 1944 at a private hospital Sydney, John Scott, beloved husband of Florence Sands, of 26 Sackville Street Bexley. By request no flowers.

SANDS -February 15, 1944 at a private hospital Sydney, John Scott Sands, beloved brother of William George, Reginald David, and Stanley Milton (deceased). By request no flowers.

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Hi Dave

No birth in S.A for Heather A HALL.

Digger - South Australian Marriages, Registrations 1842-1916
Groom: SANDS
Given names: John Scott
Bride: SHANKS
Given names: Florence Lillian Catherine
Date: 1909-11-23
Groom Age: 26
Status: S
Groom's Father: John Marshall SANDS
Bride Age: 31
Status: S
Bride's Father: Thomas Eli SHANKS
Place: Manthorpe Memorial Cong Church Unley
District: Ade
Symbol:
Book/Page: 241/475
Cross Reference:

Digger - South Australian Deaths, Registrations 1916 to 1972
Surname: SANDS
Given Names: Florence Lillian Catherine
Date: 1965-05-10
***: F
Age: 86y
Status: W
Relative: John Scott SANDS [DH]
Relative 2:
Residence: Blackwood
Death Place: Belair
District Code: Ade
Symbol: H
Book: 990
Page: 2803
Cross Reference:

Digger - South Australian Births 1842-1906 (c) SAGHS
Surname: SHANKS
Given Names: Florence Lillian Catherine
Date: 1878-08-17
***: F
Father: Thomas Eli SHANKS
Mother: Catherine HOOD
Birth Place/Residence: Adelaide
District Code: Ade
Symbol:
Book: 206
Page: 400
Cross Reference:

Centennial Park Cemetery
Florence Lillian Catherine Sands from BELAIR
Date of Death: 10/05/1965
Age: 86 Years
Interment Details: Cremation

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Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much. I wonder where Heather was born :confused:


Keith David Harold SANDS b. abt 1922 d. 2000 Bowral

married 1945 Griffith

Daphne May SLINGSBY b. abt 1925 d. 2000 Bowral

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Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much. Two to go for this branch.

Nancye Celilia SANDS b. abt 1924 d. 2001 Springwood

married 1947 N Sydney

Garth Elvery DELLER b. 1917 Qld. d. 1996 Springwood

Please see what you can find. Thanks.

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Hi Dave

Images sent.

DELLER GARTH ELVERY : Service Number - NX107388 : Date of birth - 23 Feb 1917 : Place of birth - SANDGATE QLD : Place of enlistment - WEST WALLSEND NSW : Next of Kin - DELLER RUBY

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Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much. Yes, I noticed:

Previous marriage
# 3699/1941 DELLER GARTH ELVERY PEDDELL RUBY MYFRED HURSTVILLE

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The last one and a puzzle. :D

Stanley Milton SANDS b. 1891 Milton d. 1937 Chatswood

married ?

Elsie Katherine ? b. ? d. 1972 Concord

Milton was a singer and actor and he travelled all around Australia giving performances. The marriage could be in any state including Tasmania and probably excluding WA.

1936 N.S W Electoral Roll - North Sydney - Chatswood
SANDS Elsie Kate, 28 McMahon street, Willoughby, home duties
SANDS Stanley Milton, 28 McMahon street, Willoughby, -------
Northern Suburbs Memorial Gardens & Crematorium
199 Delhi Road, North Ryde NSW 2113
SANDS Stanley Milton (also known as Milton), died 1937. Niche 219ZB
SANDS Elsie Kartherine, died 1972. Niche 525NU


Daughter, Cecilie, is not placed with her parents.

Cecilia SANDS b. 1928-1931 ?

The Sydney Morning Herald - Saturday 2 October 1948 p.3
Special Cup Donated In Eisteddfod
...Scene from Shakespeare (17 and over) Cecilia Sands Group (Neutral Bay) 1...


Please see what you can find. Thanks.

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Hello crankypants,

Enlisted Sydney, NSW 24 Jul 1915 - S/N 7683 Driver No. 1 Pack Wirless Signal Troop - 24 yrs 3 mo - Milton near Auckland NZ [? near Ulladulla] - PAC Cadets Adelaide - Shop Assistant - father Rev. James [?] Sands Vulture st. S Brisbane - Embarked Melbourne HMAT A12 'Saldanha' 5 Feb 1916 - Served in Middle East from 5 Feb 1916 to 1 Jul 1917 - Proceeded on leave to India 3 May 1917 - Married 1 Jul 1917 [?] Discharged 26 Oct 1917 at Basrah [?] - Returned to Australia 19 Dec 1918.

24 May 1937 Widow Elsie living at 28 McMahon St Willoughby.

29 Jul 1955 Mrs E K Sands living at 23 Wycombe Rd Neutral Bay - re Widow applying for War Service Home [sic] (loan)

1 Sep 1966 daughter Cecilia signed a Stat. Dec. re her late father's lost Discharge Certificate - Mother wants a War Service Loan.


His service record says he was born in Milton, NZ but that is wrong. His father Rev John Marshall was at Ulladulla on the south coast of NSW and I presume that's how he got his middle name, Milton.

If you enter Milton Sands in NLA you get hundreds of ads for his performances. No sign of the marriage in NLA.

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Digger - South Australian Marriages, Registrations 1917-1937
Groom: SANDS
Given names: Stanley Milton
Bride: TODD
Given names: Elsie Kate
Date: 1919-03-26
Groom Age: 28
Status: S
Groom's Father: John Marshall SANDS
Bride Age: 23
Status: S
Bride's Father: George TODD
Place: Congregational Manse Mount Lofty
District: Ade
Symbol: S
Book/Page: 278/681
Cross Reference:

Digger - South Australian Births 1842-1906 (c) SAGHS
Surname: TODD
Given Names: Elsie Kate
Date: 1895-07-14
***: F
Father: George TODD
Mother: Elizabeth Katherine ATKINSON
Birth Place/Residence: Clare
District Code: Cla
Symbol:
Book: 568
Page: 2
Cross Reference:

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Hello crankypants,

Well I had no idea is was going to be that easy. :2fun: Thank you very much.

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