John McKay or Scally/Skally.

[p.risboy]

Hi folks.

Would anyone have any idea about this slight conundrum.

Name - Denis Scally
Baptism Age 0
Event Type Baptism
Birth Date 1880
Baptism Date 11 Jan 1880
Baptism Place Ballintoy, Antrim, Ireland
Diocese Down and Connor
Father - John Scally
Mother - Catherine McKay

Death - 13 JULY 1972 • Royal Infirmary, Edinburgh, Scotland


He went by the surname of McKay(and variants of), through all records, as did his father. Except for his birth/baptism.


Name Dennis Scally
Gender Male
Birth Date 12 Dec 1879
Birth Place Ballintoy, Antrim, Ireland
Father - John Scally
Mother - Katie Mckay Scally
FHL Film Number 256037

This image is about as clear as mud...........


Any help would be appreciated.

And this death for his father.

John Mckay - Death 17 Dec 1905. Shotts, Lanark. Husband of Catherine Clark.??



Steve.

 

[Elwyn]

Have you found a marriage for the parents? Possibly they weren’t married? The birth certificate indicates they were but I don’t see a marriage that fits. Maybe he went by his mother’s name all his life?

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy...s/birth_returns/births_1879/02899/2061990.pdf

 

[p.risboy]

No, haven't found the marriage. It would seem that his father had taken on the name of Mckay also.

 

[emeltee]

The surname on the 1905 death is definitely Clark.

 

[p.risboy]

Just cannot a hint of a marriage for John McKay/Scally to a Caroline Clark/e. McKay/Scally......no matter what variation of the surnames used. Or why it was that Scully wasn't used instead of McKay.

I think this is a bit of a brickwall.

 

[solidrock2]

Possible...

Marriage

Katherine McKay
1856–1926

17 Feb 1881
St. Nathy's Cathedral, Ballaghaderreen, Co. Roscommon
Spouse

John Scally
1852–1926

 

[solidrock2]

Eleanor Jane Scally***FemaleBirth Date23 Apr 1873BirthplaceCroagh, Ant, IreFather's NameJohn ScallyFather's ***MaleMother's NameKate Mc CayMother's ***FemaleEvent TypeChristeningEvent PlaceIrelandEvent Place (Original)Croagh, Ant, Ire

 

[p.risboy]

I can't see this marriage in Irish genealogy, nor anywhere esle. The dates are wrong for death for John McKay/Scally.

Is this from an online family tree.

I think I may have my wires crossed somehow. John McKay was a Labourer on Dennis McKay/Scally death cert. But a Journeyman Mason on his marraige cert.
I have only for certain that Dennis appears in the 1911 & 1921 Census. The 1901 census Dennis surname is spealt Mackie, if indeed that's him. The head house is a Michael Scally.

Thanks. Steve.

 

[Ellie7]

Try Scully

 

[p.risboy]

Try Scully

I've tried every combination of both surnames of McKay & Scally I can think of.. More than likely I haven't tried some other obscure variatios.

Death cert says Denis McKay(previously Scally). I cannot understand the name change.

 

[Ellie7]

https://irishgenealogy.ie/en/

 

[p.risboy]

https://irishgenealogy.ie/en/

Yes, that's the website I am using.

 

[Ellie7]

Scally Irish genealogy records (johngrenham.com)

 

[p.risboy]

There is also a chance that I have more than likely have the wrong death for John MacKay/Scally in Shotts, Lanark. Wifes maiden is given as Clarke.

He may not even have died there. I can find no evidence that he even came to Scotland.

 

[emeltee]

1881
104 Benhar Messrs Robert Addie & Sons Houses, Shotts
John McKay 29 Iron Miner Ireland
Catherine McKay wife 31 Ireland

1891
42 Addies Row, Shotts
John Mckay 42 Coal Miner Ireland
Catherine McKay wife 43 Ireland
John McKay son 4 Renfrewshire

1901
37 High Street Shotts
John McKay 49 Miner Ireland
Catherine McKay wife 50 Ireland
John Mckay son 14 Miner Linlithgowshire (West Lothian)

Can't find them before 1881 but they may well be there, somewhere

 

[p.risboy]

No sign of their son Denis/Dennis b1879 with them in 1881 nor 1891. I did have these census, but dismissed them, only for the fact that Denis was nowhere to seen until 1901 Scots Census. Living in Liberton, Midlothian, Scotland.

Thanks MLT.

 

[emeltee]

What is your link to the McKay/Scally family. Perhaps it needs checking back again to make sure you are looking at the correct family.

 

[emeltee]

Dennis McKay married Elizabeth Gwynne 1901 Portobello, Midlothian SP Ref 685/6/39

Elizabeth Gwynne born 1877 Liberton to William Gwynne and Agnes Hunter who married 1870 in New Monkland.

I appreciate that this does nothing to sort the Scally/McKay conundrum. I have come across similar name changes which have been brought about by legacy whereby the person can inherit providing the surname is changed. This is sometimes because of a family feud.

 

[emeltee]

I have just emailed you a copy of the McKay/Gwynne marriage and just realised that it gives his father as John McKay and mother as Catherine Scally and not the other way round as per post#1.

Perhaps Dennis was illegitimate and only took on the McKay name when Catherine and John married?

 

[p.risboy]

What is your link to the McKay/Scally family. Perhaps it needs checking back again to make sure you are looking at the correct family.

The link is, my wifes Scottish rellies. Totally seperate tree from mine.

I was doing it a few years ago, but got too expensive with purchases from ScotlandsPeople. So now I have thrown some money at it in the last few weeks.

So far I have done reasonbly well. I have the ScotsPeople records that you have found. And a few transcripts from Ancestry, which hardly tell as many details as ScotsPeople do.