John Palmer LEEDER junior

[DaveHam9]

Hello,

name: John Palmer Leeder
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 07 Feb 1831
baptism/christening place: Scarning, Norfolk, England
birth date:
birthplace:
father's name: John Palmer Leeder
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Blanche Leeder
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: I02236-4
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1470862
reference number:


Arrived in Australia before 1853 ???

John did not arrive with his family:

EDIT: Shipping records say John senior had no relations already in the colony so it seems John junior arrived afterwards but by 1853 to marry in NSW.

LEEDER John Palmer 42 'James Gibb' 1849 Sydney and/or Newcastle and family Reel 2135, [4/4786] Page 387; Reel 2459, [4/4909]
LEEDER Blanch 42
LEEDER Blanche 16
LEEDER Ann 14
LEEDER William 10
LEEDER Martha 4


NSW Marriage V1853246 85/1853 LEEDER JOHN - SHILLINGTON HANNAH IA= Wesleyan Sydney

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Death 2115/1872 LEEDER BLANCHE - THOMAS H - MARTHA - NEWTOWN

The Sydney Morning Herald - Wednesday 26 June 1872 p.1
DEATHS
On the 22nd instant, BLANCHE, the beloved wife of Mr. JOHN PALMER LEEDER, Ross-street, Camperdown, aged 67 years, deeply lamented.

Death 12640/1891 LEEDER JOHN P - ROBERT - UNKNOWN - PETERSHAM

LEEDER John Palmer Death notice 14NOV1891 Death 86 at Petersham SMH 17NOV1891

Deaths
13695/1891 LEEDER JOHN P - JOHN P - BLANCHE - ST LEONARDS
7219/1908 LEEDER ANNIE - ANDREW - ANN - ST LEONARDS

LEEDER John Palmer Death notice 31DEC1890 Death 59 late of St Leonards SMH 01JAN1891

 

[DaveHam9]

It's son William F who is in my tree and his birth is a puzzle.

The marriage was 11 May 1853. It's not an error in the index. The name on the certificate is William Henry.

Birth V1856592 159/1856 LEEDER WILLIAM H - JOHN P - ANN

Seems Frederick William used the name William F or William Frederic later in life. Age at marriage and age at death suggest he was born in 1854 making him the eldest. No reg can be found.

I will view the shipping reels at the library to see if it says any relations in colony in case John junior arrived first.

 

[DaveHam9]

LEEDER John Palmer 42 'James Gibb' 1849 Sydney and/or Newcastle and family Reel 2135, [4/4786] Page 387; Reel 2459, [4/4909]
LEEDER Blanch 42
LEEDER Blanche 16
LEEDER Ann 14
LEEDER William 10
LEEDER Martha 4

LEEDER John Palmer 42 - Robert & Thomasina at Wootton Norfolk - no relations in colony

LEEDER Blanch 42 - Thomas & Martha Case - Relations in colony: cousin Thomas Sampson ? Ryder

 

[DaveHam9]

So far I can't find the marriage or a baptism for Blanch.

name: Ann Case Leeder
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 21 Jun 1835
baptism/christening place: East Dereham, Norfolk, England
birth date:
birthplace:
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: John Palmer Leeder
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Blanche Case
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: I07541-8
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1951410
reference number: item 4 p 279

 

[DaveHam9]

I can't find the marriage but I have this:

name: John Palmer Leeder
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 07 Oct 1805
baptism/christening place: Barnham-Broome, Norfolk, England
birth date:
birthplace:
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: Robert Leeder
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Thomasin Palmer
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: I04037-3
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1471296
reference number: item 28

 

[gibbo]

Is this the marriage you were looking for?

Groom's Name: John Palmer Leeder
Groom's Birth Date: 1807
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age: 23
Bride's Name: Blanch Case
Bride's Birth Date: 1807
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age: 23
Marriage Date: 05 Apr 1830
Marriage Place: Great Fransham, Norfolk, England
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Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I07377-6
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 1596346
Reference Number: Item 2, pg 113

 

[DaveHam9]

That's one of the three, thanks gibbo.

Robert LEEDER & Thomasin(a)

Thomas CASE & Martha

 

[gibbo]

Groom's Name: Robert Leeder
Groom's Birth Date:
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Groom's Age:
Bride's Name: Thomasine Palmer
Bride's Birth Date:
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Bride's Age:
Marriage Date: 04 Mar 1795
Marriage Place: Barnham-Broome, Norfolk, England
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Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I04037-4
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 1471296
Reference Number: items 30-33

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks gibbo. :2fun:

Something is fishy. I did search for all three marriages on FS yesterday.

 

[gibbo]

Oh Maybe your still having problems with that site

I found this marriage but im not sure. Its the only one i could find around the Norfolk area where they seem to hang out a bit. There are other marriages with a Thomas Case and bride as Martha but they are from a different area. Well what i call a different area anyway:2fun::2fun::2fun:


Groom's Name: Tho Hen Case
Groom's Birth Date:
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Groom's Age:
Bride's Name: Martha De Caux
Bride's Birth Date:
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Bride's Age:
Marriage Date: 04 Nov 1802
Marriage Place: Saint Simon And Saint Jude,Norwich,Norfolk,England
Groom's Father's Name:
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Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M04445-1
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 993654
Reference Number:

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks gibbo.

Yeah, they were hanging out a bit in Norfolk. :2fun:

Looks like we need some census look ups. Robert and Thomasin were still alive in 1849. Thomas & Martha may have been too although the shipping record is worded differently for them.

 

[gibbo]

I cant find a baptism for Blanche

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks for looking. Yeah, I came up zero on FS. I'll try the other.

 

[gibbo]

Thomas Henry Case died in 1857. I know cause i've been reading the papers again :biggrin:

The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842 - 1954)
Tuesday 20 October 1857

DEATHS.

On the 8th of June last, at his son's residence, Hevingham, Norfolk, England, in his 85th year, Thomas Henry Case, Esq., senior, formerly of Great Fransham, in the same county, father of Mrs. John Palmer Leeder, of this city.

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks gibbo. Got to love TROVE.

 

[gibbo]

Wouldnt have solved half of these if it wasnt for the newspapers. Ooops talking to myself now, his logged out :2fun::2fun:

 

[DaveHam9]

Both are back.

Deaths Jun 1857
Case Thomas Henry Aylsham 4b 50


A tree but no marriage for Blanche - HERE


name: Thomasin Leeder
event: Census
event date: 1841
gender: Female
age: 65
birthplace: Norfolk
record type: Household
registration district: Loddon & Clavering
sub-district: Woodton
civil parish: Woodton
county: Norfolk

name: Robert Leeder
event: Census
event date: 1841
gender: Male
age: 65
birthplace: Norfolk
record type: Household
registration district: Loddon & Clavering
sub-district: Woodton
civil parish: Woodton
county: Norfolk

What looks like Wootton in shipping record = Woodton


Deaths Mar 1849
Leeder Thourasin Loddon &c 13 160

Possible:

Deaths Sep 1865
Leeder Robert Loddon 4b 161

 

[gibbo]

Where we up to with this one?

 

[DaveHam9]

I think we have gone too far already. :2fun:

We may move on.