John Richard LAWRENCE

[DaveHam9]

NSW Marriage 1476/1859 LAWRENCE JOHN RICHARD - COULTER MARGARET - BOMBALA ** 21 Apr

Death 12285/1893 LAWRENCE MARGARET - CHARLES - JANE - PETERSHAM

The Sydney Morning Herald - Tuesday 6 June 1893 p.1
Deaths.
LAWRENCE.-June 6, at her son's residence Belmore, Denison-road, Lewisham, Margaret Lawrence, aged 55 years.

Looking for John's death.

Thanks,

Dave

 

[gibbo]

These are the last births i can find for the couple.. twins

NSW birth index
7886/1873 LAWRENCE CHARLES EDWARD C JOHN RICHARD MARGARET BOURKE

7887/1873 LAWRENCE MARGARET EMILY S JOHN RICHARD MARGARET BOURKE

Then there is this death index

NSW death index
5109/1876 LAWRENCE JOHN AGE 31 YEARS DIED BOURKE BOURKE

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks gibbo.

Don't know yet about that one. Expected middle name Richard to be included.

It's not this one:

LAWRENCE John Rees Death notice 15AUG1898 Publication 75 late of Summer Hill Sydney Morning Herald 15AUG1898

Then there is this one in Hunter region:

LAWRENCE John Death notice 27APR1887 Death 73 late of Lostock, Paterson River, formerly of Somersetshire, England Maitland Mercury 07MAY1887

 

[DaveHam9]

This birth where they married on south coast of NSW. Bourke is in far NW of the state:

5718/1863 LAWRENCE MARY J - JOHN R - MARGARET - BOMBALA


Illawarra Mercury (Wollongong, NSW : 1856 - 1950) - Thursday 12 May 1859 p.2
THE COUNTRY.
The Justices in Petty Sessions assembled, have appointed Mr John Richard Lawrence to be keeper of the public pound at Bombala, in the place of Mr Henry Clement Hogarth, resigned.

The Goulburn Herald and Chronicle (NSW : 1864 - 1881) - Saturday 14 October 1865 p.4
...
NEW INSOLVENTS
...
John Richard Lawrence, Bombala, licensed victualler. Liabilities, £839 9s. 1d. Assets, £690 19s. 6d. Deficiency, £148 9s. 7d. Mr. Sempill, official-assignee.


I'm not sure about Bourke, but it would mean 2x John & Margaret.

 

[DaveHam9]

This is probably him with names reversed:

Richard John Lawrence b. 12 July 1828 c. 31 July 1828 Portsea, Hampshire
John Lawrence & Mary Ann

And there is this death with right parents:

Death 2863/1898 LAWRENCE JOHN - JOHN - MARY - PARRAMATTA ** 7 Jan

But nothing I can find in TROVE to help.


From a tree:

Margaret Coulter was born in Pethia, Fermanagh, Ireland. She married John Richard Lawrence, son of John Lawrence and Mary Ann Wilson, on 21 April 1859 in St Matthias Church of England, Bombala.

 

[DaveHam9]

1583/1860 V18601583 155 LAWRENCE JOHN C C - JOHN - MARGARET

John Charles Coulter Lawrence was born on 11 Feb 1860 in Bombala, NSW.
He was baptised on 15 April 1860 in St Matthias Church of England, Bombala, NSW.
[Father a Superintendant]

5664/1861 LAWRENCE WILLIAM J - JOHN R - MARGARET - BOMBALA

5718/1863 LAWRENCE MARY J - JOHN R - MARGARET - BOMBALA


A 10 year gap to the twins in Bourke.

 

[DaveHam9]

I can't find another marriage in NSW to explain the births in Bourke.

5109/1876 LAWRENCE JOHN AGE 31 YEARS DIED BOURKE BOURKE

Born 1845 and married in 1859 ???

I think it's coincidence there is a second John Richard in NSW.


Seems only three children born in Bombala so did John die soon after 1863?

 

[horse]

Seems John was still around in 1886 [admission date, no discharge date on the image]

New South Wales, Australia, Hospital & Asylum Records, 1840-1913
John R Lawrence
Birth Year: abt 1825
Admission or Discharge Date: 28 Dec 1886
Admission or Discharge Place: New South Wales, Australia
Age: 61
Asylum: Government Asylums for the Infirm and Destitute
Title: Register of Inmates C-D, H-J, K-M, 1880-Nov 1896

 

[horse]

Portsea covers parts of Southsea..

 

[horse]

Not sure what to make of this, local land board office...

New South Wales, Australia, Government Gazettes, 1853-1899
Name: John Richd Lawrence
Event Date: 19 May 1896
Event Place: Nowra, Illaroo
Page Number: 3566

Geoff

 

[horse]

Hi gibbo

Have to go for a couple of hours...

 

[gibbo]

Hi Geoff,

I wont be in here long neither but will be back after lunch.

I found a funeral notice for Margaret and she is buried at the Waverley Cemetery, wonder if John is buried with her. Im looking to try and find out.

 

[rupert]

Hi Geoff,

I wont be in here long neither but will be back after lunch.

I found a funeral notice for Margaret and she is buried at the Waverley Cemetery, wonder if John is buried with her. Im looking to try and find out.

No sign of John at Waverley Cemetery

LAWRENCE Margaret died 05 June 1893 age 55 Inscription ‘Our mother’
+
LAWRENCE Emily
LAWRENCE William J
LAWRENCE Harold Thompson
LAWRENCE Frank Eric

All buried (Anglican, Section 6 Select, Row 58, Grave 2382-2383)


William J = William Joseph
died 18961/1950 LAWRENCE WILLIAM JOSEPH
father JOHN RICHARD
mother MARGARET

LAWRENCE, William Joseph.—July 7,
1950, at his residence, 15 The Cres-
cent, Mosman, beloved husband of Emily
and dear father of Charles (deceased),
Harold (deceased), Frank (deceased),
Edith (Mrs. E. C. Druitt) and Thelma
(Mrs. T. Anderson). Privately interred.

birth 5664/1861 LAWRENCE WILLIAM J JOHN R MARGARET BOMBALA


1913 MOSMAN—MOSMAN POLLING-PLACE
Lawrence Emily 15 Lennon-street domestic duties
Lawrence William Joseph 15 Lennon-street civil servant

New South Wales, Australia, Public Service Lists
NAME: William Joseph Lawrence
BIRTH DATE: 26 Oct 1861
APPOINTMENT DATE: 26 Jun 1883
APPOINTMENT PLACE: New South Wales, Australia
BOOK YEAR: 1913
(Department of Lands - Lease Division - Clerk in charge)

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

That's curious. Three children is correct but William is the youngest.

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Rupert.

That fills in a few more details of the family.

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Back to this death then:

Death 2863/1898 LAWRENCE JOHN - JOHN - MARY - PARRAMATTA ** 7 Jan

Parents are correct but can't find age at death. Not in Ryerson.

 

[horse]

Back to this death then:

Death 2863/1898 LAWRENCE JOHN JOHN MARY PARRAMATTA ** 7 Jan 1898

Looks the most likely

Trivia..

There is also a John Lawrence per 'Hive' 1834 :biggrin:

Geoff

 

[horse]

Death 2863/1898 LAWRENCE JOHN - JOHN - MARY - PARRAMATTA ** 7 Jan

Parents are correct but can't find age at death. Not in Ryerson.

Yep, always a sticking point

 

[gibbo]

Yep, always a sticking point

And i cant find a death or funeral notice.

 

[horse]

Strange that there is no discharge/date of death from the asylum, other patients have one or the other