John ROBERTS

[DaveHam9]

1878 MARRIAGES Solemnized in the District of Sydney
No. 655 March 23rd 1878 St. Paul's Sydney
John Roberts - Widower - Caernarvon Wales - Furnaceman - 35 - Balmain - William Roberts & Alice - Quarry man
Amelia Hilder - Spinster - Camden N.S.W. - - - 35 - Camden - Moses Hilder & Elizabeth - Farmer
Married in the Church of St. Paul's [Cleveland St] According to the rites of Church of England
Parties signed: John Roberts, Amelia Hilder
Witnesses signed: Wm Hilder, Mary Ann Gittoes, Andrew Downey
By me John W. Debenham Officiating Minister

The Sydney Morning Herald - Mon 8 Apr 1878 p.1
MARRIAGES
ROBERTS - HILDER.-March 25, at St. Paul's Church, Redfern, by the Rev. J. W. Debenham, John Roberts of Balmain, to Amelia, second daughter of the late Moses Hilder of Camden.

I hope we now have enough info to trace the right John Roberts.

Thanks,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

If John's first marriage was in NSW than there are 32x between 1860 and 1878.

Death 4678/1891 ROBERTS JOHN - WILLIAM - ALICE - CAMDEN * 11 Feb 1891

I can't find a family that fits in 1851. William a quarryman and Alice and son John born abt 1843.

25x John Roberts 1842 - 1844 in RD Carnarvon on FreeBDM

46x marriages for a William Roberts on FreeREG and no Alice.

 

[horse]

Something to ponder...

1851
RD: Carnarvon
Sub-RD: Llandwrog
ED: 3a; Piece: 2515; Folio: 269; Page: 3

William Roberts 34 [b. Llanbeblig, Caernarvonshire. Quarryman]
Ala Roberts 36 [b. Llanhauam]
John Roberts 9 [b. Llanwnda]
Cathrine Roberts 7 [do]
Robert Roberts 5 [b. Llanrug]
William Roberts 3 [do]
Margaret Roberts 6 Mo [do]

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

I found one quarryman but wife didn't fit.

Llanwnda is in RD Carnarvon so 16x John.

ROBERTS, JOHN JONES
GRO Reference: 1841 M Quarter in CARNARVON Volume 27 Page 308

ROBERTS, JOHN ROBERTS
GRO Reference: 1841 M Quarter in CARNARVON UNION Volume 27 Page 329

ROBERTS, JOHN MORRIS
GRO Reference: 1841 S Quarter in CARNARVON Volume 27 Page 290

ROBERTS, JOHN JONES
GRO Reference: 1841 S Quarter in CARNARVON Volume 27 Page 307

ROBERTS, JOHN OWEN
GRO Reference: 1841 D Quarter in CARNARVON Volume 27 Page 321

ROBERTS, JOHN JONES
GRO Reference: 1841 D Quarter in CARNARVON Volume 27 Page 337

ROBERTS, JOHN JONES
GRO Reference: 1842 M Quarter in CARNARVON Volume 27 Page 349

ROBERTS, JOHN WILLIAMS
GRO Reference: 1842 M Quarter in CARNARVON Volume 27 Page 335

ROBERTS, JOHN ROBERTS
GRO Reference: 1842 J Quarter in CARNARVON Volume 27 Page 325

ROBERTS, JOHN JONES
GRO Reference: 1842 J Quarter in CARNARVON Volume 27 Page 335

ROBERTS, JOHN HUGHES
GRO Reference: 1842 J Quarter in CARNARVON Volume 27 Page 322

Perhaps tracing a siblings instead.

Dave

 

[horse]

Yeah, front runners for mother were Morris and Evans but still not confirmed, only Jones marriage I saw was after John's birth..

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

ROBERTS, CATHERINE JONES
GRO Reference: 1843 M Quarter in CARNARVON Volume 27 Page 327

ROBERTS, CATHERINE PRICHARD
GRO Reference: 1843 M Quarter in CARNARVON Volume 27 Page 349

ROBERTS, CATHERINE WILLIAMS
GRO Reference: 1843 J Quarter in CARNARVON Volume 27 Page 324

ROBERTS, CATHERINE EVANS
GRO Reference: 1843 S Quarter in CARNARVON Volume 27 Page 317

ROBERTS, CATHERINE FOULKE
GRO Reference: 1843 S Quarter in CARNARVON Volume 27 Page 336

ROBERTS, CATHERINE WILLIAMS
GRO Reference: 1843 S Quarter in CARNARVON Volume 27 Page 329

ROBERTS, CATHERINE HUGHES
GRO Reference: 1844 M Quarter in CARNARVON Volume 27 Page 360

ROBERTS, CATHERINE THOMAS
GRO Reference: 1844 S Quarter in CARNARVON Volume 27 Page 307

 

[DaveHam9]

I don't have all year. :biggrin:

This will take until 10 pm tonight.

6x Margaret.

ROBERTS, MARGARET JONES
GRO Reference: 1850 M Quarter in CARNARVON Volume 27 Page 324

ROBERTS, MARGARET OWEN
GRO Reference: 1850 M Quarter in CARNARVON Volume 27 Page 332

ROBERTS, MARGARET PRICHARD
GRO Reference: 1850 M Quarter in CARNARVON Volume 27 Page 326

ROBERTS, MARGARET THOMAS
GRO Reference: 1850 D Quarter in CARNARVON Volume 27 Page 303

ROBERTS, MARGARET THOMAS
GRO Reference: 1850 D Quarter in CARNARVON Volume 27 Page 324

ROBERTS, MARGARET JONES
GRO Reference: 1850 D Quarter in CARNARVON Volume 27 Page 321

1851 30 March so really only three fit.

 

[horse]

I don't have all year. :biggrin:

This will take until 10 pm tonight.

5x Margaret.

Yeah, watching in awe, though there will still be no positive outcome

We need a middle name or some snippet that may help..

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

No William with mmn Thomas that fits.

ROBERTS, WILLIAM JONES
GRO Reference: 1847 S Quarter in CARNARVON Volume 27 Page 311

ROBERTS, WILLIAM JONES
GRO Reference: 1849 J Quarter in CARNARVON Volume 27 Page 358

ROBERTS, WILLIAM JONES
GRO Reference: 1849 J Quarter in CARNARVON Volume 27 Page 359

ROBERTS, WILLIAM JONES
GRO Reference: 1849 J Quarter in CARNARVON Volume 27 Page 381

ROBERTS, WILLIAM JONES
GRO Reference: 1849 J Quarter in CONWAY UNION Volume 27 Page 391

ROBERTS, WILLIAM JONES
GRO Reference: 1849 D Quarter in CARNARVON Volume 27 Page 287

I have checked the pob in census are in Carnarvon RD for the children.

7x Robert Roberts with mmn Jones.

Oh.

 

[horse]

Robert Roberts +/- 2y

Geoff

 

[horse]

I have checked the pob in census are in Carnarvon RD for the children.

Yep all b. Caernarvon/shire..

Geoff

 

[horse]

Need to go now, Dave. May look later :biggrin:

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

William and family in 1861?

Ok, thanks Geoff.

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

This fits.

Margaret Roberts
County Caernarvonshire
Event Type Census
Event Date 1861
Event Place Llanbeblig, Caernarvonshire, Wales
Registration District Carnarvon
Residence Note Henwalia Uchaf
Age 10
Occupation Scholar
Birthplace Llanrug, Carnarvonshire
Page Number 20
Registration Number RG09
Piece/Folio 4342 / 89
Alice Roberts Head F 45 Llanaelhaiarn, Carnarvonshire
Robert Roberts Son M 14 Llanrug, Carnarvonshire
William Roberts Son M 12 Llanrug, Carnarvonshire
Margaret Roberts Daughter F 10 Llanrug, Carnarvonshire

 

[DaveHam9]

??
John Roberts
County Caernarvonshire
Event Type Census
Event Date 1861
Event Place Llanwnda, Caernarvonshire, Wales
Registration District Carnarvon
Residence Note Penycae
Gender Male
Age 18
Marital Status Unmarried
Occupation Farm Servant
Relationship to Head of Household Servant
Page Number 11
Registration Number RG09
Piece/Folio 4338 / 42
Owen Jones Head M 32 Carnarvon Llangwyfan,
Catherine Jones Wife F 38 Carnarvon Criccieth,
John Jones Son M 5 Llanwnda,
Mary Jones Servant F 24 Llan...,
Griffith Griffiths Servant M 34 Clynnog,
John Roberts Servant M 18 Llanwnda,
Ellis Hughes Servant M 14 Llanwnda,


The only one or one of the few John Roberts born abt 1842 Llanwnda in 1861 census.

 

[DaveHam9]

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/13398347

The Sydney Morning Herald - Wed 15 Aug 1877 p.10
FUNERALS
THE FRIENDS of Mr. JOHN ROBERTS (furnace-
man, of Atlas Works, Sydney), are invited to attend
the Funeral of his deceased and beloved WIFE, Eliza Ann ;
to move from his residence, Merton-street, Balmain, THIS
(Wednesday) AFTERNOON, at half-past 2 o'clock, to
Balmain Cemetery. W. H. WOOD, Undertaker, Balmain.

Death ROBERTS ELIZA A 2117/1877 THOMAS ANN - BALMAIN * 14 Aug

 

[DaveHam9]

Marriage 746/1865 ROBERTS JOHN - CARTWRIGHT ELIZA A - SYDNEY

The Sydney Mail and New South Wales Advertiser (NSW) - Sat 25 Aug 1877 p.249
DEATHS
ROBERTS.—August 14, at her residence, Morton-street, Balmain,
Eliza Ann, the beloved wife of John Roberts, and fourth
daughter of the late Thomas Cartwright, formerly of Liverpool, England.

 

[DaveHam9]

Alice Roberts
Event Type Census
Event Date 1871
Event Place Llanbeblig, Carnarvonshire, Wales
Enumeration District 5
Marital Status Widowed
Occupation Widow Of Slate Labourer
Birthplace Llanailhairn, Caernarvonshire
Affiliate Image Identifier GBC/1871/5720/0026
Alice Roberts F 56 Llanailhairn, Caernarvonshire
Henry Simson Nephew M 1 Caernarvon, Caernarvonshire


Can't find an arrival for John so far.

Fatal Accident.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/114316638

 

[DaveHam9]

Can't find John's first marriage on CofE PR on A. It may have been CofE but if one of the four inner-city parishes of Sydney it won't be in that data set.

 

[DaveHam9]

1841
HO107 Piece/Book 1394/7 Folio 42 Page 7
Civil Parish: Llanbeblig
Hundred: Is-Gorfai
County: Caernarvonshire
Registration District: Carnarvon
Sub-RD: Carnarvon
ED: 12
Address: Penycook
William Roberts 55 Ag Lab Y
Ellin 55 Y
Lewis 30 Stone Miner Y
William 20 Quarryman Y
Robert 15 Quarryman Y
Mary 14 Y

I found two others in 1841 and ruled them out - a barber and a shoe maker.

Dave