John WALL

[DaveHam9]

Marriage 2756/1897 WALL JOHN - STOWE EMMA M - BALMAIN NORTH * 15 Apr 1897

1943 NSW Electoral Roll - Macquarie - Katoomba
WALL John, 237 Katoomba street, engine driver
WALL Emmie Mary, 237 Katoomba street, home duties

Death 19304/1943 WALL EMMA MARY - THOMAS - EMMA - KATOOMBA

The Sydney Morning Herald - Wed 4 Aug 1943 p.12
DEATHS
WALL.-August 2, 1943, at her residence Excelsior, 237 Katoomba Street, Katoomba, Emmie Mary, beloved wife of John Wall, ...


Looking for John's death and any other details on him.

Thanks,

Dave

 

[Bootzy]

Hi Dave,
1943 ER for Katoomba shows John Wall a engine driver with Emmie Mary at 237 Katoomba street – 1949 John’s there on his own.

Marriage of daughter Dorritt – SMH Wed 15 Jan 1930
PORRECA—WALL.—January 8, 1930, at St Stephen's Church, Sydney, by the Rev Hugh Paton, Oliviero, only son of the late Captain P. Porreca, Professor at the Royal Military Academy, Turin (Italy), and Signora Anna Porreca, of Genoa, to Dorritt, only daughter of Mr and Mrs J. Wall, of Carara, Cambridge-road, Drummoyne, Sydney.

The Blue Mountains Advertiser – Thur 22 June 1950
WALL. — In loving memory of my dear Father, John Wall who passed away peacefully in his sleep,- 27th June. 1949. Thus do I walk with him and keep unbroken,The bond which nature gives, Thinking that my remembrance though unspoken, May reach him where he lives. Inserted by his loving daughter, Dorritt Porreca, Excelsior, 237 Katoomba St.

Not knowing the area for registration - 2 x deaths on NSW BMD.. (Trove has one for May age 67 in Newcastle paper a blacksmith..)

WALL JOHN 11508/1949 JOHN - JANE SAUNDERS – MANLY

WALL JOHN 12512/1949 SAMUEL – SELENA - MAYFIELD

Dec Estate - Name: John Wall – granted 11 Feb 1958
Residence Place: Collaroy
Death Date: 28 Jun 1949
Occupation: Engine Driver

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Val.

I thought that one would be really tough.


Mayfield is Newcastle so that looks out.

Manly is a seaside suburb just north of Sydney.

Ok, Collaroy is just north of Manly.

Probate took a long time.

My grandfather's took 20 years.


Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Death WALL JOHN 11508/1949 JOHN - JANE SAUNDERS – MANLY

Normally in NSW index the maiden name is not included, so is that a middle name?

No marriage in NSW, Qld. or Vic. index.

 

[horse]

One of those long shots, based on a limited number of Jane Saunders X...

1871
County: Cornwall
RD: Penzance
Sub-RD: St Ives
ED: 8; Piece: 2334; Folio: 48; Page: 3

John Wall 39 [Shipwright]
Jane Sanders Wall 36
John Wall 10
Margaretta Wall 8
Phillis Joegarthen Wall 5
Jane Lany Wall 6
Mary Stevens Wall 6 Months
[All b. St Ives]
***

WALL, JOHN
mmn = LANG
1861 Q2 in PENZANCE
Vol 05C, Page 343
***

Marriages Q3 1860
James Mary
Lang Jane
Smith Peter Bryant
Wall John
Penzance
5c 405

Geoff

EDIT: There is a Margaret Lang [68] wid, ret baker living next door in 1871.

 

[horse]

NSW Unassisted, 1826-1922
John Wall
Age: 53
Departure: Plymouth
Arrival: Sydney, New South Wales
Arrival Date: 25 Oct 1885
Vessel: Aberdeen
[Image has occ = carpenter. With Jane 50, Anne 11, Ellen < 11]

1881 family have Annie 6, Ellen 4. RD: Penzance; Piece: 2342; Folio: 4; Page: 2

Not sure where others are, unless traveled as singles..

Geoff

EDIT: Will stop there in case wrong family..

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

I'll see what I can add to that. Family members 15 ? and over usually listed with the singles.

This is the Assisted list from NSW Records

WALL John 53 Aberdeen 1885 Sydney and family. Arrived October Reels 2143, 2496
WALL Jane 50 Aberdeen 1885 Sydney and family. Arrived October Reels 2143, 2496
WALL Anne 11 Aberdeen 1885 Sydney and family. Arrived October Reels 2143, 2496
WALL Ellen 8 Aberdeen 1885 Sydney and family. Arrived October Reels 2143, 2496

Cornwall - Carpenter - Methodist

WALL John 23 Aberdeen 1885 Sydney arrived October Reels 2143, 2496
WALL Margaret 22 Aberdeen 1885 Sydney arrived October Reels 2143, 2496
WALL Phillis 19 Aberdeen 1885 Sydney arrived October Reels 2143, 2496
WALL Jane 17 Aberdeen 1885 Sydney arrived October Reels 2143, 2496
WALL Mary 14 Aberdeen 1885 Sydney arrived October Reels 2143, 2496

Voyage 47 days - Total 650 equivalent to 554 1/2 statute adults

I can look up reel 2496 next week but being after 1881 and a large 'S S' vessel there may not be the usual details re parents.

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Now to prove it's the right family.

Death WALL JANE S 14637/1907 THOMAS - MARGARET - MURWILLUMBAH


FS has Jane's initial as S

1851
Piece: HO107/1917 Place: Uny Lelant -Cornwall ED: 2f
Civil Parish: St. Ives Ecclesiastical Parish: -
Folio: 450 Page: 20 Schedule: 2
Address: Back Road
Surname First name(s) Rel Status *** Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
LANG Peggy Head W F 47 Baker Cornwall - St Ives
LANG Jane T. Dau U F 16 Cornwall - St Ives
LANG William Son U M 13 Shoemaker Cornwall - St Ives
LANG Walter S. Son - M 11 Scholar Cornwall - St Ives

LANG, WALTER SANDERS - SANDERS
GRO Reference: 1839 S Quarter in PENZANCE UNION Volume 09 Page 156

 

[DaveHam9]

1841
Piece: HO107/144/5 Place: Penwith -Cornwall ED: 2
Civil Parish: St. Ives Ecclesiastical Parish: -
Folio: 24 Page: 13
Address: Back Road
Surname First name(s) *** Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
LANG Peggy F 35 Widow (Crossed Out) Cornwall
LANG Thomas M 11 Cornwall
LANG Jane F 6 Cornwall
Page: 25/14
LANG William M 4 Cornwall
LANG Walter M 2 Cornwall
SANDERS Mary F 25 Lodger (Crossed Out) Cornwall

 

[DaveHam9]

https://www.ancestry.com.au/genealo...=r&o_iid=41019&o_lid=41019&o_sch=Web+Property

No deaths for several in that tree.

Death in tree makes no sense. Neither parent matches and there is a middle initial.

Death WALL JOHN J 8785/1893 EDWARD ELIZABETH - WEST MAITLAND

WALL John J Death notice 08MAR1893 Death late of West Maitland Maitland Mercury 22APR1893

Young man, John James Wall drowned.

 

[DaveHam9]

I think the 1907 death for Jane S is correct.

Margaret = Peggy.

Thomas Lang
Spouse's Name Margaret Landers
Event Date 30 Jun 1829
Event Place St. Ives, Cornwall


Birth 1155/1898 WALL EMMIE S L - JOHN - EMMA M - BALMAIN NORTH

Sanders Lang or Stowe Lang ??

 

[DaveHam9]

1861
Piece: RG9/1589 Place: Penzance -Cornwall ED: 6
Civil Parish: St. Ives Ecclesiastical Parish: -
Folio: 90 Page: 11 Schedule: 60
Address: Back Road
Surname First name(s) Rel Status *** Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
LANG Peggy Head W F 57 Baker Cornwall - St Ives
WALL Jane Dau M F 26 Mariners Wife Cornwall - St Ives
BRYANT Mary A Niece U F 19 Dressmaker Cornwall - St Ives

 

[DaveHam9]

A death for John senior. ?? Probably before 1907.


There are 11 cemeteries in Tweed Shire - Banner St is a cemetery not a home address.

WALL JANE SANDERS October 9, 1907 72 YEARS BANNER St, MURWILLUMBAH

Only other WALL

WALL CHARLES June 11, 1913 59 YEARS BANNER St, MURWILLUMBAH

Can't find a notice in Trove for Jane. I'd say she would have been living with one of her married daughters.

 

[DaveHam9]

??
John Wall
Gender Male
Christening Date 30 Mar 1832
Christening Place St. Ives, Cornwall
Father's Name Thomas Wall
Mother's Name Phillis

??
Death
WALL JOHN 7505/1892 UNKNOWN UNKNOWN LIVERPOOL
WALL JOHN 6699/1893 UNKNOWN UNKNOWN GRANVILLE

Neither in Ryerson. Can't find anything in Trove.

 

[DaveHam9]

1841
Piece: HO107/144/5 Place: Penwith -Cornwall ED: 4
Civil Parish: St. Ives Ecclesiastical Parish: -
Folio: 58 Page: 16
Address: Beach
Surname First name(s) *** Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
WALL Philis F 50 Cornwall
WALL Mary F 20 Cornwall
WALL Philis F 13 Cornwall
WALL Thomas M 12 Cornwall
WALL John M 9 Cornwall

1851
Piece: HO107/1917 Place: Uny Lelant -Cornwall ED: 2h
Civil Parish: St. Ives Ecclesiastical Parish: -
Folio: 481 Page: 11 Schedule: 44
Address: Near Beach
Surname First name(s) Rel Status *** Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
WALL Philis Wife M F 59 Mariner's Wife Cornwall - St Ives
WALL Mary Dau U F 32 Cornwall - St Ives
WALL Philis Dau U F 23 Bonnet Maker Cornwall - St Ives
WALL Thomas T. Son U M 21 Shoemaker Cornwall - St Ives
WALL John Son U M 18 Shipwright's Apprentice Cornwall - St Ives

 

[DaveHam9]

1861
Piece: RG9/1590 Place: Penzance -Cornwall ED: 8
Civil Parish: St. Ives Ecclesiastical Parish: -
Folio: 15 Page: 28 Schedule: 155
Address: Beach
Surname First name(s) Rel Status *** Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
WALL Thomas Head M M 67 Master Mariner Cornwall - St Ives
WALL Phillis Wife M F 69 Cornwall - St Ives
WALL Mary Dau U F 42 House Servant (Erased) Cornwall - St Ives
WALL Thomas Son - M 31 J.M. Shoe Maker Cornwall - St Ives
NINNIS Margaret C. Visitr U F 18 Dress Maker Cornwall - St Ives

 

[DaveHam9]

RC marriage ??

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/14437116
The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842 - 1954) Sat 7 Jun 1902 Page 1
ROBINSON—WALL.—May 29, at St. Joseph's Church,
Woollahra, by the Rev. Father Gaynor, O.F.M., John
Robinson, youngest son of Joseph Hamilton Robinson,
exiotic florist of Edgecliffe-road, Woollahra, to Marga-
retta Wall, daughter of John Wall, shipwright, of Balmain.

??
Death ROBINSON MARGARETTA 19783/1921 JOHN - - PADDINGTON

 

[DaveHam9]

??
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/132449071
ACCIDENT TO AN OLD MAN.—
Last Wednesday as Mr. John Wall,
73 years of age, ...

=======================
Something is wrong. Age 8 in 1871.

ROBINSON Margaretta Death notice 12NOV1921 Death 48 at Paddington, late of Woollahra Sydney Morning Herald 14NOV1921

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/15963821
The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842 - 1954) Mon 14 Nov 1921 Page 8
ROBINSON.—November 12 1921. at a private hospital,
Paddington, Margaretta, dearly beloved wife of John
Robinson, of Coralglen, Russell-street. Woollahra, and
daughter of John and Jane Wall, of St. Ives, Cornwall,
England, aged 48 years.

The image is 48.

Does not say Jane is deceased.

Will have to trace one of the other daughters who married and who died north coast of NSW.

 

[DaveHam9]

Married sisters

1548/1900 HARRY PHILLIP S - WALL PHYLLIS F - MANLY

2169/1908 HARRY PHILLIP S - WALL JANE L - MURWILLUMBAH

Death HARRY PHYLLIS T 13440/1905 JOHN JANE S - MURWILLUMBAH

Death HARRY JANE L 13969/1920 JOHN JANE - MURRUMBURRAH

Is that an error?

 

[Bootzy]

only one I can find..
Tweed Heads Tue 24 Aug 1920

The Friends of Mr P F Harry and Family, Boat Harbour, are respectfully invited to attend the Funeral of his wife and their mother, Jane Lang to move from the Methodist Church Today Tuesday for the General Cemetery

Freeman’s Journal Sat March 18 1893
West Maitland, Wednesday. — The weather continues fine, and the flood water is everywhere receding, but slowly. The body of John Wall, who was drowned last week, was found yesterday. It appears that he was seen clinging to a fence in the neighbourhood of Fisher's Creek for some hours but no assistance was available, and he at last Bank from exhaustion. To-day the police magistrate (Mr. J. W. Brooke) held an inquiry at the temporary courthouse on the bodies of five persons drowned during the flood. The deceased…..