John WALLIS/WALLACE

[DaveHam9]

WALLACE John 29 Patrician 1854 Sydney and/or Newcastle Reel 2137, [4/4791]; Reel 2467, [4/4940]

Carpenter Arthurstown Wexford CofE Both ** Only Wallis/Wallace on the vessel
Arrived 31 Oct 1854
Reel 2467
Wallace John 29 Carpenter Arthurs Town Co of Wexford John & Anne mother residing at Arthurs Town ChofE Both An uncle Joseph Wallace residing at Bathurst Good None £8 was paid came under R...? Regns.?

John Wallis
Oak Street Bathurst
Certificate no 3420
Deposit no 2771

Parents match but don't know if this is the right death or not because Springwood is not near Bathurst.

Death 11355/1915 WALLIS JOHN - JOHN - ANNE - SPRINGWOOD ?

Not in Ryerson - Can't find a notice in TROVE - so no age at death.

2nd marriage (Presbyterian) for John:

Bathurst Free Press and Mining Journal (NSW : 1851-1904) - Wednesday 15 August 1860 p.2
MARRIED.
On August 9th at Evans' Plains near Bathurst, by the Rev. J. B. Laughton, John Wallis of Bathurst (formerly of Arthurstown, Ireland,) to Jane, only daughter of the late William Carroll of Bathurst.

I can't find a birth or death for Jane or the right father for her.

 

[DaveHam9]

There is more than one William and this one does not seem to fit being RC:

Marriage V18421332 92/1842 CARROL WILLIAM - CROZIER ANN LG= RC Bathurst, Kelso, St Michael's, Co. Bathurst

I, William Carroll do hereby declare that I am a Member of, or hold communion with, the Roman Catholic Church [signed]
I, Ann Crozier do hereby declare that I am a Member of, or hold communion with, the Roman Catholic Church [signed]
I, M O'Reilly, of Bathurst, Minister of St. Michael's of Bathurst do hereby certify that William Carroll of Tunger ? and Ann Crozier of Tunger ? were joined together in wedlock by me on 22 May 1842, at Tunger ?, in the presence of William Elliot ? of Tunger ? and Thomas MacPherson of Tunger ?
[signed] M O'Reilly


Burial V1855538 120/1855 CARROLL WILLIAM AGE 40

Roman Catholic Burials in the Parish of Bathurst in the County of Bathurst in the Year 1855
No. - William Carroll Age: 40 Abode: Bathurst When Buried: November 28 1855 Ship's Name: - Quality or Profession: - By whom the Ceremony was performed: Rev. Dr. Grant

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The other one:

Death 2586/1858 CARROLL WILLIAM AGE 57 YEARS DIED BATHURST BATHURST

 

[DaveHam9]

Children
5021/1861 WALLIS MARY A JOHN JANE BATHURST
5279/1864 WALLIS WILLIAM JOHN JANE BATHURST
5673/1866 WALLIS (MALE) JOHN JANE BATHURST
6360/1869 WALLIS (MALE) JOHN JANE BATHURST
6960/1871 WALLIS FRANCIS G JOHN JANE BATHURST

 

[DaveHam9]

Don't know how this fits in. Don't know if it's a 2nd marriage for the RC William or if we have 3x William at Bathurst:

Here is the entry in "Bathurst Pioneers" for Bridget Hopkins:

NO.:2310
PIONEER:Bridget HOPKINS
BIRTH:1833 Dunmore GAL IRL
FATHER:Thomas HOPKINS
MOTHER:Bridget MOORE
DEATH:5 Sep 1915 Bourke
BURIAL:Bourke
SPOUSE (1): William CARROLL
Married 6 Nov 1850 Bathurst
ISSUE:1 Catherine CARROLL b. 7 Feb 1851 Kelso
2 James CARROLL b. 30 Jan 1857 Bathurst
3 Mary Ann CARROLL b. 21 Jan 1859 Bathurst
4 William Bernard CARROLL b. 9 Feb 1862 Bathurst
SPOUSE (2): Charles BELL
Married 19 Mar 1862 Bathurst
OCCUPATIONublican at Bathurst
ARR. AUS:1849 (Irish Orphan) per "Digby"
ARR. BATHURST:1850 from Sydney
RESIDENCE:William St
OTHER INFO:Bridget was one of the 4114 Irish Orphan Girls sent to AUS
1848-50. With her first husband dying and the second leaving her Bridget
brought up her seven children alone. Further information supplied.

 

[DaveHam9]

The Sydney Herald (NSW : 1831 - 1842) - Thursday 25 March 1841 p.4
TICKETS OF LEAVE.
PRINCIPAL Superintendent of Convicts' Office, Sydney, 18th March, 1841. The undermentioned male prisoners of the Crown have obtained Tickets-of-Leave since the last day of publication, viz. :—

COUNTY OF BATHURST.—Bathurst. John Allen, Andromeda ; William Carroll, Roslyn Castle ; Richard Dignam, Earl Grey ...

 

[DaveHam9]

How many do we have or how many married twice? :biggrin:

1212/1860 CARROLL WILLIAM S - McLEAN CHARLOTTE - BATHURST

I don't have Jane's death so I don't know if it lists her mother's first name.

 

[horse]

Pondering this...

Jane Carroll
Spouse: John Wallis
Marriage Date: 1860
Marriage Place: New South Wales
Registration Place: Barraba, New South Wales
Registration Year: 1860
Registration number: 1271

 

[DaveHam9]

That's the 1860 marriage I posted:

1271/1860 WALLIS JOHN - CARROLL JANE - BATHURST

 

[horse]

That's the 1860 marriage I posted:

1271/1860 WALLIS JOHN - CARROLL JANE - BATHURST

Yep, but I can't understand the distance involved

 

[DaveHam9]

In the index Bathurst is just a registration district.

Barraba has to be an error. That is not as per the NSW govt site. Someone has read Bathurst as Barraba somehow.

Other marriages in Bathurst. Don't know yet if any are siblings of Jane:

1198/1860 AYLING JOSEPH - CARROLL CATHERINE - BATHURST

1286/1860 MURPHY WILLIAM JOSEPH - CARROLL ANNE BRIDGET - BATHURST

1248/1861 BYRNES EDWARD - CARROLL MARY - BATHURST

1363/1862 BELL CHARLES - CARROLL BRIDGEL - BATHURST

1690/1868 WILLCOX JOHN - CARROLL CATHERINE - BATHURST

 

[horse]

In the index Bathurst is just a registration district.

Barrabra has to be an error. That is not as per the NSW govt site.

Ah! Thanks, Dave...

 

[DaveHam9]

This one for example:

Death 2586/1858 CARROLL WILLIAM AGE 57 YEARS DIED BATHURST BATHURST

Says he died in Bathurst. The last Bathurst is the district where the event was registered. Those two colums don't have to be the same.

 

[DaveHam9]

We know one William was a convict. If he happens to be RC then we can probably rule him out. Then we have to decide if we have 2x or 3x William.

I can't find a tree that has John & Jane.

 

[horse]

Another snippet.

He forfeited his deposit, for whatever reason..

New South Wales, Australia, Returns of the Colony, 1822-1857
William Carroll
Location: Bathurst, Bathurst
Publication Year: 1845

 

[horse]

We know one William was a convict. If he happens to be RC then we can probably rule him out. Then we have to decide if we have 2x or 3x William.

I can't find a tree that has John & Jane.

There's another John who must have arrived 1860 ish from Wexford, sponsored by a Julia Sterne, but he was a labourer, have discounted him.

 

[DaveHam9]

Another snippet.

He forfeited his deposit, for whatever reason..

New South Wales, Australia, Returns of the Colony, 1822-1857
William Carroll
Location: Bathurst, Bathurst
Publication Year: 1845

I'm not sure what that means.


We have two on the same vessel and neither RC. Don't know which one ended up in Bathurst.

William Carroll
Details
Alias: Irish Rebel: Religion: Protestant Age on arrival: 37
Marital status: Married 3 children
Calling/trade: Servant farm
Born: 1796 Native place: Down Co
Tried: 1832 Down Co Sentence: Life Former convictions: 9 months
Ship: Roslin Castle (3) [1833]
Crime: Stealing bridle
Description:
Remarks:
Spouse:
Died:


William Carroll
Details
Alias: Irish Rebel: Religion: Protestant Age on arrival: 30
Marital status: Single
Calling/trade: Soldier footman groom
Born: 1803 Native place: Down Co
Tried: 1832 Dublin Court Martial Sentence: 14 Former convictions: 14 days
Ship: Roslin Castle (3) [1833]
Crime: Desertion
Description:
Remarks:
Spouse:
Died:


There are 7 more convicts by that name.

 

[horse]

The deposit appears to refer to a deposit paid on some land...

 

[horse]

The deposit appears to refer to a deposit paid on some land...

This came up whilst I was looking for a William with a dau. Jane...

 

[DaveHam9]

I know I have the right John because of Arthurs Town.

He sponsored his married sister and her family in 1886:

John Wallis
Oak Street Bathurst
Certificate no 3420
Deposit no 2771

1887 ‘Port Victor’ - Nominated - No. of Depositor 2771
RUNCIMAN Bessie, 51, Domestic, Wexford, cofeng, r&w (Joining brother Bathurst) £15
RUNCIMAN Bessie, 19, Domestic, Meath, cofeng, r&w £2
RUNCIMAN Margaret, 16, Domestic, KingsC, cofeng, r&w £2
RUNCIMAN Effie, 7, School, KingsC, cofeng, r&w £1
RUNCIMAN Richard, 12, School, KingsC, cofeng, r&w £1

 

[horse]

I know I have the right John because of Arthurs Town.

He sponsored his married sister and her family in 1886:

John Wallis
Oak Street Bathurst
Certificate no 3420
Deposit no 2771

Yes, just Jane to sort out...