John William BLACKLEY

[DaveHam9]

Hello,

Marriages Dec 1895
Allcot Lillias May W. Derby 8b 979
Blackley John William W. Derby 8b 979
Cragg Mary Agnes W. Derby 8b 979
Garvey Patrick W. Derby 8b 979

It may or may not be my John but I'd like a look up for that one in 1901 please.

Regards,

Dave

 

[emeltee]

I can't find the John Blackley you are looking for in 1901. There is only one John Blackley in Liverpool in 1901

RG13/3471/F81/p2
John Blackley 76 Mariner Seas Scoyland
Ann Blackley 61 Wife Scotland
John Jones 35 Son in law General Carter Nuckin Salop ( probably Knockin)
Annie Isabella 31 dau Liverpool
Jessie 7 gd dau Liverpool
John Alexander 4 gd son Liverpool

Apoloogies if you have this already,

Emeltee

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello Emeltee,

Thanks for looking.

So far I've not been able to match the couples in that 1895 marriage.

I didn't have that one. Very interesting family with the names and Liverpool connection as well. I can't fit it to my tree at the moment but I will follow it up.

With names Jessie and Isabella staring at me I have to look further.

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

groom's name: John Jones
groom's birth date: 1865
groom's birthplace:
groom's age: 27
bride's name: Annie Isabella Blackley
bride's birth date: 1869
bride's birthplace:
bride's age: 23
marriage date: 26 Dec 1892
marriage place: St Mary Kirkdale, Walton On The Hill, Lancaster, England
groom's father's name: Samuel Jones (Deceased)
groom's mother's name:
bride's father's name: John Blackley
bride's mother's name:
groom's race:
groom's marital status: Single
groom's previous wife's name:
bride's race:
bride's marital status: Single
bride's previous husband's name:
indexing project (batch) number: M01180-0
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1545940
reference number: it250, pg210, no419



Births Dec 1869
Blackley Annie Isabella W. Derby 8b 403

name: Ann Isabella Blackley
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 02 Jan 1870
baptism/christening place: St. Peter's, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
birth date: 26 Oct 1869
birthplace: Kirkdale
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: John Blackley
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Ann
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: C03226-3
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1656565
reference number: item 1 p 204


Liverpool/W Derby 1894 +/-1 Birth reg for 7x Jessie

Births Sep 1896
Jones John Alexander W. Derby 8b 366

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello Emeltee,

Getting back to my John William born 1877 this fits. May or may not be his marriage in 1895.

Deaths Sep 1922
Blackley John W 45 W.Derby 8b 383

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Here they are in 1881 but I still don't know how they might be connected.

1881
RG11 Piece / Folio 3682 / 120 Page 58
Census Place Kirkdale, Lancashire, England
Dwelling 55 Rockingham St
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
John BLACKLEY Head M Male 59 Scotland Mariner
Ann BLACKLEY Wife M Female 41 England
Alex BLACKLEY Son U Male 17 England Labourer
William BLACKLEY Son U Male 14 Lpool, England Scholar
Ann BLACKLEY Daur U Female 11 Lpool, England Scholar
Agnes BLACKLEY Daur U Female 9 Lpool, England Scholar
John WATERSON Boarder U Male 36 Carlisle Labourer
John CHRISTIE Boarder U Male 24 Lpool, England Mariner


Possible
Marriages Jun 1855
BLACKLEY John Liverpool 8b 71
GERMAN Ann Liverpool 8b 71
MOODY Mary Jane Liverpool 8b 71
SKELTON William Liverpool 8b 71


groom's name: John Blackley
groom's birth date:
groom's birthplace:
groom's age:
bride's name: Ann German
bride's birth date:
bride's birthplace:
bride's age:
marriage date: 28 May 1855
marriage place: St. Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
groom's father's name: Robert Blackley
groom's mother's name:
bride's father's name: David German
bride's mother's name:
groom's race:
groom's marital status: Single
groom's previous wife's name:
bride's race:
bride's marital status: Single
bride's previous husband's name:
indexing project (batch) number: M00706-4
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1656678
reference number: it 6, p 150, no 299

 

[DaveHam9]

Also

Marriages Jun 1847
BARNES James Manchester 20 393
BLACKLEY John Manchester 20 393
BRUCE Lilias Manchester 20 393
Hill John Wilkinson Manchester 20 393
LOMAS Ann Manchester 20 393
Nicoll James Manchester 20 393
RUDDOCK Margaret Ann Manchester 20 393
TIMPERLEY Martha Manchester 20 393

Not Ann LOMAS

groom's name: John Blackley
groom's birth date:
groom's birthplace:
groom's age:
bride's name: Margaret Ann Ruddock
bride's birth date:
bride's birthplace:
bride's age:
marriage date: 04 Apr 1847
marriage place: Cathedral,Manchester,Lancashire,England
groom's father's name:
groom's mother's name:
bride's father's name:
bride's mother's name:
groom's race:
groom's marital status:
groom's previous wife's name:
bride's race:
bride's marital status:
bride's previous husband's name:
indexing project (batch) number: M09789-2
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 438212
reference number:

 

[DaveHam9]

name: William Henry Blackley
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 05 Jul 1868
baptism/christening place: SAINT PETER,LIVERPOOL,LANCASHIRE,ENGLAND
birth date: 16 Oct 1866
birthplace:
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: John Blackley
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Ann
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: D19780-2
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: unknown
reference number:

Now the name has changed:

name: Alexander Blakeley
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 15 May 1864
baptism/christening place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
birth date:
birthplace:
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: John Blakeley
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Ann
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: I02475-5
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1068941
reference number: item 4

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello Emeltee,

I don't have the birth, marriage or death or parents of John senior. Spouse Isabella McGUIRE was born abt 1801 possibly in Co Fermanagh - parents Thomas & Mary.

I have the following children so it seems I'm missing some based on dates and probable naming pattern. Highly likely Thomas was not their first son.

Born Ireland
Thomas 1830 probably not 1st son
Mary Jane 1831 possibly 1st dau

Isabella 1835 possibly 3rd dau
Sarah 1837
Catherine 1839

Born Paisley
Ann b. abt 1846

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello Emeltee,

Births Dec 1877
BLACKLEY John William Liverpool 8b 136

I wonder if John William lived for some time in Bolton. ???

BLACKLEY JOHN 1878 33 Bolton Lancashire ?


I thought with a name like Lillias I'd be able to match the couples but I can't even find a death that fits.

Regards,

Dave

 

[emeltee]

Lilias Bruce married James Nicholl, I've found them in the 1861 Census in Manchester. They were both born in Scotland.

Emeltee

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello Emeltee,

Thanks.

I think I have the right death for John W so it would be a bit odd if he was in Bolton in 1911 and then returned to W Derby area. ??? Still can't see if he has a spouse with him or not.

I now have matched the 1895 couples by this death:

Deaths Dec 1897
Garvey Lillias May 34 W. Derby 8b 389

So either my John W married Mary Agnes and they were both aged around 18 or it's not my John. I still can't find John in 1901 or 1911 if that is his death in 1922. I think I have Mary and a son born abt 1900 in 1901.

Births Dec 1899
Blackley John William W. Derby 8b 593

From the birth reg 1890-1901 John William, Mary Ellen, Florence, Charlotte Ann, Doris and Sarah there are two Blackley families in W Derby.

Regards,

Dave