John William Lock or Locke

[ianto73]

Another attempt to get through the brick wall:-

A John William Lock died in 1892 (born around 1842) registered Marylebone 1a 463 and another died in 1901 (born around 1860)registered Wandsworth 1d 342. On the 1891 census would either of these two have a son FRANK ROLAND LOCK OR LOCKE? As Frank could be an orphan but quoted his father as deceased in November 1914 when he was reputedly 26, there could be a link - I shall understand if this also hits that wall!!

Many thanks

Brian

 

[p.risboy]

Hi Brian,

Do you have an approximate age for Frank Roland Lock/e.

Steve.

 

[oznannie]

Hi Steve
John William Lock who died in 1892 Marylebone was in the june qtr aged 50yrs.
The Wandsworth one died in march qtr 1901.
There could be more deaths where the middle name is listed only as a W??
We need to know more from 1914 which I presume was a marriage cert?
Frank was 26 in 1914, 1888c, Perhaps from an enlistment record?
What do you reckon?

ozn

Added later, unusual name worth keeping.
birth Frank Roland Locke dec qtr 1903 St Georges Hanover Sq.
Perhaps named after a brother?
In the census after 1901 little Frank in Aston Warks.
father Francis John Locke.
Red Herring maybe??

 

[ianto73]

Thanks both, Frank Roland is my maternal grandfather reputedly born 29 Feb 1888 - one cousin has failed over 7 years to find a birth registration. No-one knows where he came from before landing up in St Helens in 1914 marrying my grandmother who originally came from Leicestershire. I've been told he joined up as a boy seaman but this does not seem to be registered on the Navy list at National Archives. His father was listed as "John William Locke-deceased) Osier-Trimmer" on his wedding certificate. That was why I started to look for deaths of JWL after 1888. He must have met my grandmother in Leicestershire as she was there in 1911 with her parents and brothers and he could have moved to St Helens to work in the pits.

As I've said - a brick wall of the worst kind, and there doesn't seem to be a light at the end of this tunnel.

Very many thanks for the wonderful support I get - you should be given honours from the Queen.

Brian

 

[duckweed]

Have you either father or son on any census records? Presumably you have tried interchanging first names ie a Frank Roland may be down as Roland Francis? Did he actually have a father that he knew? Could he have been registered under Mother's maiden name? Or could he have been adopted?

 

[ianto73]

DW - the cousin that started the search for our maternal grandparents actually paid a geneologist but that was in the Leicestershire area and in respect of Frank Roland - ZILCH!
There is no-one who knows anything about him, although based on my late mother's words from decades ago, I'm convinced he was an orphan and this has been given a bit more substance when another cousin said his dad told him that Frank was the youngest of 4/5 boys WHO ALL JOINED THE NAVY.
No knowledge of area of birth, mother's names, or anything else prior to the wedding in November 1914.

Very many thanks for the thoughts - I do appreciate it especially as I'm useless on much of the internet stuff.

Iechydd

Brian

 

[juliejtp]

Hi Ian,

I've had another look on TNA at Kew online documents. The only Frank Lock was this one on the Royal Marines register.

Frank Lock
DOB 23 Jan 1885
Enlisted 4 Jan 1904
Royal Marines Light Infantry
Portsmouth Division

 

[duckweed]

Found an F Locke in Naval Reserve 1912-1937 Long Service Medal but that Brixham If he was at St Helens he would be Liverpool

This is more interesting

F R Locke on the Jerome coming from Manaos Brazil in 1910 arriving Liverpool. If he had been abroad he wouldn't show up in census returns.

 

[duckweed]

I have a John William Locke born Tadcaster 1845

3 suitable marriages

John William Locke Birmingham Dec 1867

John William Locke St Pancas 1875

John William F Locke Tadcaster Mar 1888

 

[juliejtp]

Looks like the John Locke who married in St Pancra in 1875

1891

Civil parish St Pancras

John W Locke age 61 born Rotherhithe occ pianoforte casemaker
Emma wife age 30 born Suffolk

 

[juliejtp]

This maybe the John Locke who married in Tadcaster.

1891 Civil parish Camberwell

John WF Lock age 35 occ messenger House of Lords born Alverstoke
Agnes M wife age 32 born Leeds
Alexander son age 3
Alfred son age 2

 

[ianto73]

Thanks one and all - I'll be back once I've gone through the details. This week I have another small project on the go.

Iechydd

Diolch yn fawr

Brian

 

[juliejtp]

Hi Ian,

Just wondering about the picture you have of Frank in his uniform. Are you sure nothing will be had from this picture? As you can always post it on the forum. Just another thing probably nothing. On the 1891 census there is a Frank Roland Colvard born abt 1888 Newington, Surrey who is a patient at St. Thomas Hospital, and I hav'nt found anything on this little boy either.

View attachment 410

 

[juliejtp]

Hi Ian,

Found that litle boys birth registration. Another spelling for Roland.

Frank Rowland Colverg

1887 - District St Saviour, Southwark
Apr/May/Jun 1/4

 

[juliejtp]

This maybe the Frank Colverd(g).

Death 1965 - Blackburn - Frank R Colverd - age 76

Marriage 1916 - Frank R Colverd - Kings Norton.

So it looks like he is out of the running.