JOHNSTON & SANDS families

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

John JOHNSTON b. abt 1830 Victoria or Scotland ? d. 1916 Gordon

married 1875 Sydney

Rachel Mary Ann Kemp RILEY b. ? d. 1945 Glebe


The Sydney Morning Herald - Saturday 11 September 1875 p.1
MARRIAGES
JOHNSTON-RILEY.-September 4, by the Rev. T. Gainford, at the Mariners' Church, John Johnston, youngest son of the late Captain John Johnston, Peterhead, Scotland, to Rachel Mary Ann Kemp Riley, youngest daughter of William Riley, of this city.

Possible death but nothing yet to support it.

Death # 6943/1939 JOHNSTON JOHN JOHN ANNE SYDNEY

I doubt the 1916 death is the right one. John's parents are John & Ann. There are TWO Captain John JOHNSTONs to complicate things. One lived in Melbourne and the other in Sussex street in Sydney.


Death # 7601/1916 JOHNSTON JOHN THOMAS MARY CHATSWOOD ??

The Sydney Morning Herald - Friday 22 December 1916 p.6
DEATHS
JOHNSTON.-December 21, 1916, at his son's residence, Rosedale-road, Gordon, John Johnston, aged 86.

Please see if you can find a JOHNSTON at Rosedale-road, Gordon in 1913. Thanks.

1903 N.S.W Electoral Roll - West Sydney - Blackwattle Polling-place
JOHNSTON John, 89 Glebe-street, storeman
JOHNSTON Rachael, 89 Glebe-street, domestic duties

Please see what you can find. Thanks.

Regards,

Dave

 

[crankypants]

Hi Dave

Johnston's at Rosedale-road.

1913 N.S.W Electoral Rolls - GORDON—GORDON POLLING-PLACE
399 Johnston James Rosedale-road labourer
400 Johnston John Rosedale-road labourer
402 Johnston Ruby May Rosedale-road domestic duties

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crankypants

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thanks. None of those match. I think with Thomas & Mary instead of John & Ann on that 1916 one and no matching names at that address I'd say that's the wrong John. But is the 1939 death the right one then?

The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848-1954) - Saturday 26 January 1867 p.4
DEATHS
JOHNSTON.-On the 22nd October, at his father's residence, Crook, Rendall, Orkney, after a lingering illness, Captain John Johnston, late of No. 4 Howard-street, West Melbourne. Deeply regretted by his wife and a large circle of friends.

The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848-1954) - Tuesday 28 May 1867 p.8
FUNERALS
THE Friends of the late Mrs. ANN JOHNSTON, relict of the late Captain John Johnston, are respectfully invited to follow her remains to the place of interment, Melbourne General Cemetery.
The funeral will leave her late residence, 4 Howard street, West Melbourne, THIS DAY (Tuesday, 23th), at two o'clock p.m.

That's enough to show the parents of my John are John & Ann.

Regards,

Dave

 

[crankypants]

Hi Dave

Only John Johnston with father John Johnston in Peterhead.

1851 Scotland Census
Name: John Johnston
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1848
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Jean
Gender: Male
Where born: Peterhead, Aberdeenshire
Parish Number: 232
Civil parish: Peterhead
Town: Peterhead
County: Aberdeenshire
Address: 9 Kirk Street
ED: 13
Page: 4 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 12
Line: 1
Roll: CSSCT1851_50
Household Members: Name Age
John Johnston 44
Jean Johnston 38
James Johnston 5
John Johnston 3
Jessie A Johnston 1 Mo

cheers
crankypants

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thanks for looking but I'm not sure we have enough info yet. Capt. John died in Orkney so that may be where he was born and may have moved the family later to Peterhead. Let's do the Australian connections first.

Marriage # V1847636 32C/1847 RILEY WILLIAM KEMP LYDIA ME=CofE St James' Melbourne

EDIT: Yes, they are before the date of the marriage.

NSW Births
V18422886 26A/1842 RILEY WILLIAM R WILLIAM LYDIA
V18443230 28/1844 RILEY JOHN G WILLIAM LYDIA
V18463449 31A/1846 RILEY JOSEPH S WILLIAM LYDIA

Rachel and probably other children may have Victorian reg.

Death # 8946/1945 JOHNSTON RACHAEL JOHN [?] LYDIA GLEBE [William]

The Sydney Morning Herald - Tuesday 29 May 1945 p.12
DEATHS
JOHNSTON.-May 28, 1945, Rachel Johnston of 32 Glebe Street, Glebe, dearly beloved mother of Les, George,
Sid, Andy, John, Vera and Lid.

I can't see Vera's birth in NSW.

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Children
373/1876 JOHNSTON WILLIAM J JOHN RACHEL M A SYDNEY
166/1878 JOHNSTON THOMAS HENRY JOHN RACHEL SYDNEY
1154/1880 JOHNSTON ROBERT RICHARD JOHN RACHEL SYDNEY
5729/1881 JOHNSTON LESLIE JOHN RACHAEL GLEBE
6553/1883 JOHNSTON SIDNEY H JOHN RACHEL M A K GLEBE
7396/1886 JOHNSTON LYDIA M JOHN RACHEL M A K GLEBE
8068/1888 JOHNSTON JOHN JOHN RACHEL M A K GLEBE
11432/1889 JOHNSTON ANDREW A JOHN RACHEL M A R GLEBE
13406/1892 JOHNSTON GEORGE H JOHN RACHEL M A K GLEBE
13237/1894 JOHNSTON VERA M JOHN RACHAEL M A K GLEBE

Please see what you can find. Thanks.

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

1903 N.S.W Electoral Roll - West Sydney - Blackwattle
JOHNSTON John, 89 Glebe-street, storeman
JOHNSTON Rachael, 89 Glebe-street, domestic duties

In 1930 & 1936 Rachel is living with her son William John. There is no sign of John which is curious in that the 1939 death is the only one that has parents that match his: John & Ann.

Please see if you can find John & Rachel in 1913 E/R. Thanks.

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

I think the 1939 death is not the right one. John the son of the other Captain married an Anne so I think that death is their son.

It's possible the death of my John is one of the death reg without both parents listed.

I've found marriages for the eldest (Margaret Fulton) and youngest (Maggie) daughters of Captain John of Peterhead. I have noticed three births of a John JOHNSTON in the Orkneys so I'll do some more searching.

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Captain John of Peterhead must have married twice.

Eldest daughter Margaret Fulton JOHNSTON married Thomas CARDIFF in 1875.

Youngest daughter Maggie (Margaret Ross JOHNSTON) married George Richard OHLSON in 1876 and her death reg and the funeral notice for Mary JOHNSTON have Mary as Maggie's mother.

Yet we have the funeral notice for Captain John's spouse as being Ann.

As far as Orkneys and Aberdeen are concerned there are 5 possible marriages for an Ann to a John JOHNSTON.

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much. No sign of john after 1930. Two possible ones:

60/1925 JOHNSTON JOHN J JOHN SYDNEY
9969/1925 JOHNSTON JOHN JOHN SYDNEY

Regards,

Dave

 

[crankypants]

Hi Dave

Death between 1913-1930.

1913 N.S.W Electoral Roll - GLEBE—MITCHELL-STREET POLLING-PLACE
1148 Johnston George 89 Glebe-street carter
1149 Johnston (1) John 89 Glebe-street storeman
1150 Johnston (2) John, junior 89 Glebe-street labourer
1151 Johnston Leslie 89 Glebe-street labourer
1153 Johnston Rachael 89 Glebe-street domestic duties

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crankypants

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much. I looked for a death or funeral notice for those two 1925 ones and didn't find anything.

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much.

Ellenor M JOHNSTON b. 1911 d. aft 1940

It may or may not be Ellenor Melva who is in the E/R. That would depend who else is at same address.

Called Helen at funeral of her father in 1940. Probably never married.

Please see what you can find. Thanks.

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much. I'm not sure if Ellinor Melva is mine or not.

Marriage # 11423/1941 MOYLAN MERVYN RAYMOND JOHNSTON ELLENOR MELVA INVERELL

E/R Gwydir. I can't find her death after 1953.

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David Leslie JOHNSTON b. 1907 Glebe d. 1963 Balmain

Have 1930 & 1933 E/R.

married 1948 Glebe

Vera Maud NICHOLS b. 1904 Waterloo d. 1969 Bankstown

Please see what you can find. Thanks.

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thanks. I may have a partial explanation. I just noticed her name at death:

Birth # 38000/1904 NICHOLS VERA M CHARLES T ESME I WATERLOO

Death # 28675/1969 BROOKS VERA MAUD CHARLES THOMAS ESME ILA BANKSTOWN

No doubt about his death in 1963:

Death# 19849/1963 JOHNSTON DAVID LESLIE WILLIAM JOHN ELEANOR BALMAIN

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

William Henry JOHNSTON b. 1911 d. 1992 Glebe

marriage # 14810/1929 JOHNSTON WILLIAM J HAMMOND DOROTHY M SYDNEY

Dorothy May HAMMOND b. 1911 Moruya d. 1994 Glebe

1936 N.S.W Electoral Roll - West Sydney - Glebe
JOHNSTON William John, 52 Glebe street, labourer [the father of William Henry]

EDIT: The Leslie at 52 Glebe street is a brother of William John.

1936 N.S.W Electoral Roll – West Sydney – Glebe
JOHNSTON Dorothy May, 31 Glebe street, home duties
JOHNSTON William John, 31 Glebe street, labourer [?]

Curious it's not William Henry with spouse. ???


JOHNSTON William Henry Death notice 06NOV1992 Death 81 late of Glebe SMH 09NOV1992
JOHNSTON William Henry (The Judge) Died in hospital - spouse Dorothy - children William, Ronald & Eleanor.

JOHNSTON Dorothy May Death notice 28NOV1994 Death 83 late of Glebe SMH 30NOV1994
JOHNSTON, Dorothy May, November 28, 1994 (peacefully), late of Glebe, much loved wife of the late William Henry (Judge), loving mother and mother-in-law of William, Eleanor, Ronald and Irene and their close families.

The death notices say it's the son William Henry (born 1911 from age at death fits) even though he married at 18 and the marriage reg has middle initial as J. It's not a 2nd marriage for William John. He's not living at both 52 and 31 Glebe street.

Please see what you can find. Thanks.

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

The 'The Judge' bit puzzles me. but it does tie the two together even if they are not together in E/R. Also, the children match.

EDIT: I can't find anything to show he was an actual judge.

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

George Henry SANDS b. 1871 Glebe d. 1946 Murwillumbah

married 1896 Tamworth

Sarah HUNT b. 1879 Tamworth d. 1959 Tweed Heads

Have 1930 E/R and burials.

1936 N.S.W Electoral Roll - Richmond - Tweed Heads
SANDS George Henry, Flagstaff Hill, Tweed heads, baker
SANDS Sarah, Flagstaff Hills, Tweed Heads, home duties

Please see what you can find after 1936. Thanks.

Regards,

Dave

 

[crankypants]

Hi Dave

1903 N.S.W Electoral Roll - New England - Tamworth Polling Place
2275 SANDS George Henry Tamworth baker
2276 SANDS Sarah Tamworth domestic duties
2277 SANDS William Tamworth baker

1913 N.S.W Electoral Roll - TAMWORTH—TAMWORTH POLLING-PLACE
2673 Sands George Henry Peel-street baker
2674 Sands Sarah Peel-street domestic duties

cheers
crankypants

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much. I should have given you this one at same time. I have junior in some just received.

Interesting. William is George Henry's father but William died in Camperdown. I never knew he was in Tamworth also.

Balmain Cemetery Part 2 - 20 Jan 1881 - 7 May 1912 3 fiche
SANDS, William p. 128
10363 Feb 28, 1906 Presbyterian Camperdown 63 Coffill & Co reopen 6159



George Henry SANDS b. 1899 Tamworth

married 1924 Casino

Fernie Isobel SIMPSON b. 1900 Casino

Have 1930 E/R.

1936 N.S.W Electoral Roll – Richmond – Tweed Heads
SANDS Fernie Isobel, Bay street, Tweed Heads, home duties
SANDS George Henry, junior Tweed Heads, baker

Please see what you can find after 1936. Thanks.

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much. Some 1954 seem to be missing.

A sibling:

Marriage # 960/1923 MULLANE JOHN SANDS SARAH ASHFIELD

1936 N.S.W Electoral Roll – North Sydney – Roseville
MULLANE John, 3 Malvern avenue, lino-operator
MULLANE Sarah, 3 Malvern avenue, home duties

Have 1930 E/R. Apart from the marriage I have nothing on John.

Please see what you can find after 1936. Thanks.

Regards,

Dave