JOHNSTON & SANDS families

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

There is another explanation why they can't be found in E/R in NSW in 1954. Alien abduction.

Well, I can't find a death for either of them so did they leave NSW, or leave Australia?
No sign in Qld. or NLA.

Only 7 John MULLANE deaths in NSW 1923-1979.

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much. That narrows the search for John's death a bit.

Not these
8035/1950 MULLANE JOHN CHARLES MICHAEL MARY AGNES NORTH SYDNEY
62202/1972 MULLANE JOHN VINCENT THOMAS SARAH GOSFORD

MULLANE John Vincent Death notice 29AUG1972 Death 73 late of Terrigal, formerly of Campsie SMH 31AUG1972

MULLANE John Henry Death notice 28JUL1980 Death SMH 30JUL1980

I wonder, but I think he didn't live to be that old.

MULLANE John Death notice 03SEP2000 Death late of Gold Coast, formerly of North Shore SMH 05SEP2000

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much. Another sibling:

William Lewis SANDS b. 1907 Tamworth d. 1987 Qld.

Marriage # 733/1932 SANDS WILLIAM L WILKES RITA D CHATSWOOD

1936 N.S.W Electoral Roll – Richmond – Tweed Heads
SANDS William Lewis, Tweed Heads, baker

ANNERLEY, St. Phillip’s Anglican, Columbarium (Brisbane) Monumental Inscriptions.
Dearly loved William Lewis SANDS died 1 Sep 1987 aged 80 years.

Please see what you can find. Thanks.

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Yet another one where they are not together all the time in E/R. I have no death for Rita. She may even have remarried.

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thanks. Now that is curious. SANDO ???

Marriage # 733/1932 SANDS WILLIAM L WILKES RITA D CHATSWOOD

Is that an error and it should be SANDO ?

It looks like a common error:

9021/1901 SANDO WILLIAM H SHUTE MARY E CHATSWOOD
9021/1901 SANDS WILLIAM H SHUTE MARY E CHATSWOOD


And who is this Flora living with William Lewis? I can't see a SANDS marriage to a Flora in NSW that fits.

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Births

32381/1905 SANDO WILLIAM L JOHN H EDITH M CHATSWOOD

2694/1908 SANDO THOMAS H JOHN H EDITH M CHATSWOOD

Looks as though my William didn't marry Rita D after all.

I still can't see how Flora fits in.

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much. I have his death a 1 Sep although it's possible it's a misread of the gravestone.

ANNERLEY, St. Phillip’s Anglican, Columbarium (Brisbane) Monumental Inscriptions.
Dearly loved William Lewis SANDS died 1 Sep 1987 aged 80 years.

Can you please check if Flora is there too. Thanks.

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

This looks like the explanation for the Ann/Mary puzzle.

Surname: JOHNSTON
Given Names: Mary Ann
Event: D
Father: Shaw Daniel
Mother: Mary Ann MAGIN
Age: 24
Birth Place: DERR =Derry, Ireland ???
Year: 1867
Reg Number: 11552

No sign of a JOHNSTON marriage or birth for John, Margaret Fulton and Margaret Ross in Victoria. So it looks as though Capt. John JOHNSTON married Mary Ann SHAW in Scotland or Ireland or we have the wrong spouse. But, there is only one female JOHNSTON's death in Victoria in 1867 with Ann as a given name. Is that correct?

The only one in IGI with a date that fits is this one:

John JOHNSTONE & Mary SHAW m. 21 Feb 1868 High Church, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland

That can't be it. Their son John was born 1869 and that's too late to be the one who married in 1875. Also, no sign of any daughters named Margaret.

I can't see the Daniel SHAW & Mary Ann MAGLIN marriage or the birth of Mary Ann in IGI.

Regards,

Dave

 

[crankypants]

Hi Dave

Can’t find Flora with William Lewis SANDS. Going by those trees these are her parents on the same page as William.

Anglican Cemeteries and Columbaria Brisbane Volume 2
265 Donald Rankin MacDONALD died 14 Aug 1957, 79 years.
266 Marion Margaret E. MacDONALD died 22 Jul 1966, 80 years

cheers
crankypants

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thanks for looking for Flora. Oh, I thought that would be easy but now I can't find Flora's birth in Qld. or NSW.

Marriage # 1916/C3345 MacDonald Donald Rankin Weaber Marion Margaret Emily

After close of birth index in 1914.


Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Something does not add up. John junior married in 1875. If he married at age 18 he was born in 1857. Ann spouse of Capt. John died in 1867 and she would have been 14 in 1857 if age at death is correct. John junior had other brothers and at least two sisters.

Marriage # 680/1874 CARDIFF THOMAS JOHNSTON MARGARET F SYDNEY

The Sydney Morning Herald Saturday 20 March 1875 p.7
MARRIAGES
CARDIFF-JOHNSTON.-July 17,1874, by the Rev. Dr. Fullerton, Mr. Thomas Cardiff, to Margaret Fulton, eldest daughter of the late Captain John Johnston.

Marriage # 125/1876 OHLSON GEORGE RITCHARD JOHNSTON MARGARET SYDNEY

The Sydney Morning Herald - Friday 11 February 1876 p.8
MARRIAGES
OHLSON-JOHNSTON.-Jan 22, by the Rev. Thomas Gainford, George Richard Ohlson, eldest son of Captain George Ohlson, of Stepney London, to Maggie, youngest daughter of the late Captain John Johnston, Peterhead, Scotland.


Death # 19437/1939 OHLSON MARGARET ROSS JOHN MARY WAVERLEY

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Before we start looking outside Australia for a John JOHNSTON & Mary Ann SHAW marriage we should try to confirm we have the right person and the correct age at death if we can.

Surname: JOHNSTON
Given Names: Mary Ann
Event: D
Father: Shaw Daniel
Mother: Mary Ann MAGIN
Age: 24
Birth Place: DERR =Derry, Ireland ?
Year: 1867
Reg Number: 11552

The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848-1954) - Tuesday 28 May 1867 p.8
FUNERALS
THE Friends of the late Mrs. ANN JOHNSTON, relict of the late Captain John Johnston, are respectfully invited to follow her remains to the place of interment, Melbourne General Cemetery. The funeral will leave her late residence, 4 Howard street, West Melbourne, THIS DAY (Tuesday, 23th), at two o'clock p.m.

I can't see a Will for Mary Ann.

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

There is a Will for Captain John who died on 22 Oct 1866.

His father is Jacob of Crook in the parish of Rendall, Orkneys.

EDIT: My mistake - Jacob is one of the executors only and not John's father.

His spouse is Ann SEATTER.

John JOHNSTON Spouse Ann SEATTER
Marriage: 29 Feb 1848 Evie And Rendall, Orkney, Scotland
Batch: M110164


Regards,

Dave

 

[crankypants]

The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848-1954) - Saturday 26 January 1867 p.4
DEATHS
JOHNSTON.-On the 22nd October, at his father's residence, Crook, Rendall, Orkney, after a lingering illness, Captain John Johnston, late of No. 4 Howard-street, West Melbourne. Deeply regretted by his wife and a large circle of friends.

Regards,

Dave

Hi Dave

1861 Scotland Census
Name: Thomas Johnston
Age: 80
Estimated birth year: abt 1781
Relationship: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Evie, Orkney
Registration Number: 16
Registration district: Evie and Rendall
Civil parish: Evie and Rendall
County: Orkney
Address: Crook
Occupation: Farmer Of 88 Acres Employing One Man
ED: 5
Household schedule number: 28
Line: 1
Roll: CSSCT1861_3
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Johnston 80
Jacob Johnston 31
Jane Johnston 34
Margaret Johnston 29
Matilda Hourston 14
Jane Hourston 12
Charles Halorow 23

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crankypants

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much. Ah. I was wrong. Jacob one of the executors named in the Will is not John's father but probably a brother.

It's curious. The marriages show two daughters named Margaret but the Will only mentions one daughter named Margaret.

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much.

James Swan SANDS b. 1869 Glebe d. 1931 Newtown

married 1903 Bathurst

Elizabeth NORTHY b. 1874 Hill End d. 1948 Marrickville

Have 1903 & 1930 E/R.

ROOKWOOD CEMETERY
NAME: James S. Sands
AGE: 62
DEATH DATE: 8th August 1931
DENOMINATION: Presbyterian
DETAILS: Section: 5E, Row: 4, Grave: 313
INSCRIPTION: Husband and our Father

ROOKWOOD CEMETERY
NAME: Elizabeth Sands
AGE: 73
DEATH DATE: 18th February 1948
DENOMINATION: Presbyterian
DETAILS: Section: 5E, Row: 4, Grave: 313
INSCRIPTION: Wife of above

Please see what you can find. Thanks.

Regards,

Dave

 

[crankypants]

Hi Dave

Sent 1933, 1936 & 1943 e/r.

1913 N.S.W Electoral Roll - UPPER HUNTER—QUIRINDI POLLING-PLACE
1045 Sands Elizabeth F Station-street domestic duties
1046 Sands James Swan M Station-street baker

cheers
crankypants

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much.

Katherine Beatrice SANDS b. 1905 Tamworth d. 1996 Hunters Hill

married 1932 Ashfield

John Demby PRICE b. 1905 Leichhardt d. 1976 Five Dock

1936 N.S.W Electoral Roll – Martin - Abbotsford
PRICE John Dembry, 21 Lea avenue, Five Dock, clerk
PRICE Katherine Beatrice, 21 Lea avenue, Five Dock, home duties

Please see what you can find. Thanks.

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much.

Marjory Alice SANDS b. 1909 Quirindi d. 1994 Epping

married 1935 Petersham

Reginald Randolph McDONALD b. 1907 Narromine d. 1998 Epping

1936 N.S.W Electoral Roll - Parkes - Ashbury
McDONALD Marjory Alice, 7 Watkin street, South Ashfield, home duties
McDONALD Reginald Randolph, 7 Watkin street, South Ashfield, salesman

Please see what you can find. Thanks.

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much.

Florence Jean SANDS b. 1914 Quirindi d. 1994

Have 1936 E/R.

married 1937 Petersham

Donald Hunter McCONNELL b. 1912 Bingara d. 1968 Newtown

Please see what you can find. Thanks.

Regards,

Dave