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Joseph Ives. 1817, Towersey, Buckinghamshire.

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Hi all.

Multiple questions and queries, so I'll keep them all in one place.:)

Firstly, 1871 census, look up please.

From 1851 to 1891, Joseph is in Aylesbury, Bucks. (Walton, Aylesbury, in 1891 . Widowed, with daughter Rose Ives.).

Wife, Jane (mn- Nelmes/Nelms ) dies 1889. Aylesbury.

Children, all born Aylesbury. Joseph Ives is, or was, a shoemaker/bootmaker.

Mary Jane, 1849.
Ellen Elizabeth, 1850
Joseph, 1852 - 1873.**
Eliza 1856.
Rose 1858.
Albert 1863.

No baptisms or burials in Aylesbury, or Walton, Aylesbury, for any of them. So possibly non-com, but not sure.

Plus, anything for all of them from 1891 onwards. Can't find deaths, or marriages for any, except Joseph jnr.

Some children vanish after 1861, Alien abductions possible.

Any help, with anything will be grateful.

Thanks, and I know it's a lot to ask.

Steve.:)
 
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Well I'll be blowed.

FamilySearch.

1871 census.


Joseph Ives, 1814. Towersey, Bucks.
Jane Ives, 1827, Ickford, Bucks.

I can't see the original.:rolleyes:

I've searched there before, and I don't know why it never came up. So that's one part of a query done.:)


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The 1871 Census has Mary J, Joseph, Eliza, Rosa and Albert living with their parents.

I have found Eliza in 1881 living iin Stokenchurch, unmarried, a School Mistress. Unfortunately she disappears after that one sighting.

Also found a possible death for Albert

Albert Ives aged 48 (yob 1863) Dec 1911 Wycombe 3a 943

A couple of possible deaths for Rose although the ages are out

Rose Ives aged 29 (yob 1864) Dec 1893 Aylesbury 3a 460
Rose E Ives aged 69 (yob1860) Sep 1929 Wycombe 3a 898

There are possible marriages for Ellen, Eliza and Albert but I can't find them in any Census to confirm whether or not I have the right person.

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Possible marriage for Albert to a Clara Jane Fryer Sep 1897 Wycombe 3a 1299

The only snag is that in the 1911 Census, which is the only one I can find him in, he gives his birth place as Wycombe and his occupation as Seat Borer which a far cry from being a Chemists Assistant in 1881

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The 1871 Census has Mary J, Joseph, Eliza, Rosa and Albert living with their parents.

I have found Eliza in 1881 living iin Stokenchurch, unmarried, a School Mistress. Unfortunately she disappears after that one sighting.

Also found a possible death for Albert

Albert Ives aged 48 (yob 1863) Dec 1911 Wycombe 3a 943

A couple of possible deaths for Rose although the ages are out

Rose Ives aged 29 (yob 1864) Dec 1893 Aylesbury 3a 460
Rose E Ives aged 69 (yob1860) Sep 1929 Wycombe 3a 898

There are possible marriages for Ellen, Eliza and Albert but I can't find them in any Census to confirm whether or not I have the right person.

Emeltee
The death for Rose Ellen Ives in 1929, is nee.Smith. She married my 2xGreat Uncle, Joseph Ives(b1864. Princes Risborough.).

So the 1893, Aylesbury death looks more likely, but age is 6 years out. I've looked in the GRO for deaths, but none come up for that year.??

As for the rest of them....it's all a bit of guesswork and mystery, especailly a death for Joseph Ives snr.:confused:

Thanks MLT. I'll check Albert out a bit further.

Steve.:)
 
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Ellen is not with the family in the 1871 Census.

There is an Ellen Ives aged 20 born Aylesbury working as an Assistant in a Stationers in Hendford, Yeovil, Somerset in the 1871 Census.

A possible sighting for Mary Jane in 1881

Mary Ives 30 General Servant born Wycombe. She's in Hammersmith, London working for an Eliza Aldridge.

Still looking for the rest.

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Eliza Ives, possibly married a Alfred Willott/ Abraham Alfred Willott, in 1885, Wycombe R.D.

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1911 census

Name Eliza Willott
Event Place High Wycombe, High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, England
County Buckinghamshire
Parish High Wycombe
Sub-District Wycombe
Registration District Wycombe
Gender Female
Age 53
Marital Status (Original) MARRIED
Occupation ASSISTS IN BUSINESS
Birth Year (Estimated) 1858
Birthplace Aylesbury Bucks, Buckinghamshire
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Line 2
Page 1

Years of Marriage 25

Alfred Willott Head M 52 Princes Risboro Bucks, Buckinghamshire
Eliza Willott Wife F 53 Aylesbury Bucks, Buckinghamshire
Percy J Willott Son M 24 Bledlow Bucks, Buckinghamshire
Walter F Willott Son M 22 Shabbington Bucks, Buckinghamshire
Ellen J Willott Daughter F 20 Shabbington Bucks, Buckinghamshire
Sidney C Willott Son M 15 High Wycombe Bucks, Buckinghamshire.

Eliza Willott
Death
Apr-May-Jun
1916
Registration District Wycombe
Event Place Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, England
Age - 58
Birth Year, abt 1858
Volume 3A
Page 956.


I can't seem to find them in 1891 & 1901 census.??


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Hmmmm.!!!!

Lacey Green(Princes Risborough). Bucks. Pr's.

Baptism - 4 Jul 1858. Abraham Alfred, son of Joseph & Eleanor WILLOTT, of St Giles in the Fields, London, Artificial Flower Maker.

Burial - 8 Jun 1864. Eleanor WILLOTT, aged 41 of St Gile's, London.
Burial - 6 Jun 1883. Joseph WILLOTT, aged 59 of Ashton Rowant(Oxfordshire). (Aston Rowant).

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OK now found them. I was searching for Abraham not Alfred.

1891
RG12.1161/F85/p10
Pepperhill Farm, Chapel Road, Shabbington, Thame, Oxon
Alfred Willott 33 Farmer Lacey Green
Lizzie wife 32 Aylesbury
Percy Joseph son 4 Bledlow
Emily Eva dau 3 Shabbington
Walter Frederick son 2 Shabbington
Alfred Albert son 1 Shabbington
Ellen Jane dau 0 Shabbington

1901
RG13/1347/F75/p24
43 Totteridge Road, Chipping Wycombe, High Wycombe

Alfre Willott 42 Dairyman London
Eliza wife 42 Aylesbury
Percy J son 14 Bledlow
Emily E dau 113 Pepper's Hill
Walter F son 12 Pepper's Hill
Ellen J dau 10 Pepper's Hill
Sidney C son 5 High Wycombe

Sadly Alfred Albert died 1893.

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There's a marriage for an Ellen Elizabeth Ives to either a Joseph Clarke or an Ernest Lawrence Marv 1882 Aylesbury 3a 632 which looks promising but I cannot seem to find them in any Census.

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Found them in 1901. Ellen married Ernest Lawrence.

1901 RG13/1305/f91/p7
Public Library Librarians House, old Cross, Hertford
Ernest H Lawrence 51 Compnay Accountant Public Librarian Hertford
Ellen E wife 49 Aylesbury
Charles W son 18 Hertford
Ernest I son 17 Hertford
Arnold son 15 Hertford
Frank W son 11 Hertford
Winifred M dau 6 Hertford
Susannah Lawrence 81 Widow Mother Hertford.

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Chipping away MLT, and not doing too badly I think.

Thanks very much.O0

I can see the Census 'outlines' on Anc. for Ellen Elizabeth Lawrence etc, and Eliza Willott etc.

I'll have to get my subs in order I think, or I'll lose them amongst the 700+ other Ives's in my tree.:biggrin:
 

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Having problems finding a death for Joseph. I can only see two possibles eg come the closest, and one of those is in Dewsbury so I think that can be discounted. The other one is

Joseph Ives (yob 1811) Sep 1898 Thame 3a 548

I suppose the age depends on who was registering the death.

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Having problems finding a death for Joseph. I can only see two possibles eg come the closest, and one of those is in Dewsbury so I think that can be discounted. The other one is

Joseph Ives (yob 1811) Sep 1898 Thame 3a 548

I suppose the age depends on who was registering the death.

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I'll check Towersey Pr's, and see if there is a burial for him.:)
 

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Having problems finding a death for Joseph. I can only see two possibles eg come the closest, and one of those is in Dewsbury so I think that can be discounted. The other one is

Joseph Ives (yob 1811) Sep 1898 Thame 3a 548

I suppose the age depends on who was registering the death.

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The Dewsbury one looks the closest to age, but I wouldn't know why he ended up in Dewsbury, unless he had relatives there.:confused:
 

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The Joseph Ives who died in Dewsbury is living in Dewsbury in 1891, born Yorkshire so definitely not your Joseph.

There is a Joseph Ives living in Thame in 1891 but he was born 1832 so cannot be the chap who died 1898 aged 87.

So that just leaves the death in Thame of a Joseph Ives who wasn't living there in 1891 - possibly because he was living with daughter Rose? I think you need to get the death cert to either rule him in or rule him out!

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I can't find a definite sighting of Mary Jane after the 1871 Census, nor can I find a marriage.

I don't think the Albert who married Clara Fryer is yours as he give pob as Wycombe and I've found an Albert born Wycombe in other Censuses. Therefore I think the Albert who died 1911 is the Albert who married Clara.

I have found a couple of other deaths for an Albert Ives born c1863 but can find them in the Censuses as well.

So it looks like you have two alien abductions - Mary Jane after the 1871 Census and Albert after the 1881 Census. I'm sure they are out there somewhere but I can't see them.

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