Joseph MOULTON born abt 1811

[DaveHam9]

Hello,

Joseph Moulton
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening 10 Feb 1810 Nantwich, Cheshire
parent James Moulton, Ann

I'd like to confirm that the above Joseph can't be found in census after 1861.

There is a marriage in NSW in 1864 and this death:

4167/1879 MOULTON JOSEPH AGE 68 YEARS DIED BATHURST BATHURST

No luck so far with shipping records.

There is a private tree I can't view that has 1811 England. No idea if it's a guess based on age at death or not.

Oh:

Deaths Mar 1864
MOULTON Joseph Nantwich 8a 255

Looks as though the following two are also ruled out leaving me with none born England.

The Joseph born abt 1809 Cheshire is in 1871 census as is the one born abt 1811 Suffolk.

Regards,

Dave

 

[barbarajoh]

Putting in Joseph Moulton born 1810 -/+ 2years only brings up two

One living in Hoxne Suffolk and one in Chester, Cheshire so if you are sure the Chester one isn't yours then he is not there.

Lots of negatives

barbara

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello Barbara,

Thanks.

I think I talked myself out of England by the time I got to the end of the post.

Looking in FS I can see the Chester and the Suffolk ones in 1871.

I know one married in 1864 but no luck with shipping records so far.

Oh. It pays to search Nantwich.

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Births Dec 1844
MOULTON Joseph Nantwich 19 143

Births Sep 1849
Moulton Joseph Nantwich 19 164

Births Sep 1850
Moulton Joseph Nantwich 19 165

Births Mar 1852
Moulton Joseph Nantwich 8a 308

Births Sep 1854
Moulton Joseph Nantwich 8a 274

Births Dec 1854
Moulton Joseph Nantwich 8a 270

and counting ...

The Vicar gave a discount for those named Joseph.

 

[DaveHam9]

I have nothing in the Australian records that says he was from Cheshire or even England. The name exists in Ireland also.

I can't see a burial record on FS for the 1864 one. Knowing his age would really help.

I'm stuck for now.

 

[DaveHam9]

According to a tree:

Joseph Moulton
Birth 1810 Nantwich, Cheshire
Parents James Moulton & Ann Stanley
Death 1868 Worleston, Cheshire
Married Mary Chesters 1831 Acton, Cheshire

This does not fit unless age is 10 years out:

Deaths Sep 1868
MOULTON Joseph 68 Nantwich 8a 252

So is there one born abt 1800?

Joseph Moulton
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening 18 Jul 1797 NANTWICH,CHESHIRE,ENGLAND
parent Joseph Moulton, Margaret

But I think that is the convict. The muster has his birth abt 1797.

So where is the birth of the one who died in 1868?

Joseph Moulton
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening 15 Feb 1803 NANTWICH,CHESHIRE,ENGLAND
parent John Moulton, Mary

 

[DaveHam9]

Another death so 2x Joseph MOULTON in NSW.

V1852829 38B/1852 MOULTON JOSEPH AGE 56 ** I had better look that one up on film.


1850 New South Wales Government Gazette
THE Tickets of Leave of the undermentioned
prisoners of the Crown have been cancelled
for the reasons stated opposited their names.
Joseph Moulton, Norfolk (5,) unable from ill
health to support himself ; Bathurst Bench.

Title: Joseph Moulton, one of 280 convicts transported on the Norfolk, 27 October 1836.
Details: Sentence details: Convicted at Chester Assizes for a term of life.
Vessel: Norfolk.
Date of Departure: 27 October 1836.
Place of Arrival: New South Wales.
Source: Australian Joint Copying Project. Microfilm Roll 90, Class and Piece Number HO11/10, Page Number 394

 

[barbarajoh]

Ha so many Josephs in Cheshire, surely a lot must have died young

Barbara

 

[DaveHam9]

Yes, Barbara. Lots of deaths too in Nantwich.

It's also possible the Joseph in my tree have married previously.

Age at death still points to this one:

Joseph Moulton
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening 10 Feb 1810 Nantwich, Cheshire
parent James Moulton, Ann

The convict and the non-convict both from Nantwich, Cheshire and both in Bathurst, NSW.

 

[DaveHam9]

Joseph Moulton
Birth 1810 Nantwich, Cheshire
Parents James Moulton & Ann Stanley
Death 1868 Worleston, Cheshire
Married Mary Chesters 1831 Acton, Cheshire

Joseph and Mary in 1851 please to see what age is recorded for Joseph.

 

[DaveHam9]

This one is interesting:

name: Mary Moulton
event: Census
event date: 1861
gender: Female
age: 50
relationship to head of household: Wife
birthplace: Acton, Cheshire
record type: Household
registration district: Nantwich
sub-district: 2 Nantwich
ecclesiastical parish:
civil parish: Worleston
county: Cheshire

name: Joseph Moulton
event: Census
event date: 1861
gender: Male
age: 50
relationship to head of household: Head
birthplace: Nantwich, Cheshire
record type: Household
registration district: Nantwich
sub-district: 2 Nantwich
ecclesiastical parish:
civil parish: Worleston
county: Cheshire

I wonder if the Joseph b. 1810 married and then went to Australia 1861-1864 after Mary died?

Only this death and that is probably one born 1861.

Deaths Jun 1862
Moulton Mary Jane Nantwich 8a 215

 

[horse]

Hi Dave

England & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892
Name: Joseph Moulton
Date of Trial: Spring 1826
Trial Year: 1826
Location of Trial: Cheshire, England
Sentence: Death
[Sheep stealing, no evidence yet that it was commuted]
***
England & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892 about Joseph Moulton
Name: Joseph Moulton
Date of Trial: Spring 1828
Trial Year: 1828
Location of Trial: Cheshire, England
Sentence: Acquittal
[Sheep stealing]
***
New South Wales, Australia, Tickets of Leave, 1824-1867
Name: Joseph Moulton
Ticket Date: 10 Sep 1845
Immigration Year: 1837
Vessel: Norfolk

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

It seems the convict was born abt 1797 and the one I'm after abt 1811. Rather odd though they both appear to have been born in Nantwich and both ended up in Bathurst, NSW.

I think it likely my Joseph had married in England but the problem is there is no death that I can find for Mary in England or NSW before the his 2nd marriage. I think it has to be them in 1861 census. No other Joseph to fit.

There are 2 in NSW but only the one marriage. Two deaths:

V1852829 38B/1852 MOULTON JOSEPH AGE 56
4167/1879 MOULTON JOSEPH AGE 68 YEARS DIED BATHURST BATHURST

No luck with shipping records.

Dave

 

[horse]

Just checked the original of that Ticket of Leave, it mentions the cancellation as in your earlier post, but hand written it says he died 13 March 1852..

V1852829 38B/1852 MOULTON JOSEPH AGE 56 [this fits]

So it looks like he is the one b. 1797

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

Yes, and I'll look that burial up at the library next week. It won't add much except the location and perhaps a profession. If we are very lucky it will name the vessel.

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

V1852829 38B/1852 MOULTON JOSEPH AGE 56

Page 17 & 18
Burials in the Parish of Marsfield in the County of Cumberland in the year 1852
No 239 Joseph Moulton Abode: Factory Invalid Dept. When Died: 13th March When Buried: 15th March Age: 56 yrs Ship's Name: Norfolk (5) 1837 Quality or Profession: By whom the Ceremony was performed: Thomas Horton

 

[horse]

Looking at the records again his birth date is probably nearer 1795..

New South Wales, Australia, Gaol Description and Entrance Books, 1818-1930
Name: Joseph Moulton
Birth Year: 1795
Age: 56
Arrival Year: 1837
Vessel Arrived In: Norfolk
Date of Admission/Photo: 1851
Gaol: Darlinghurst
Gaol Location: Darlinghurst, New South Wales
Record Type: Description Book

 

[horse]

:2fun:

New South Wales, Australia, Unassisted Immigrant Passenger Lists, 1826-1922
Name: Reverend T E Moulton
Port of Departure: London
Port of Arrival: Sydney, New South Wales
Voyage Arrival Date: 2 Jun 1863
Vessel Name: Merrie England

 

[horse]

Hello,

Joseph Moulton
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening 10 Feb 1810 Nantwich, Cheshire
parent James Moulton, Ann


Dave

There are a few trees with Joseph b. 1810/11, m. 1831, Bld. Virgin Mary Acton CHS and d. 1868 Worleston.
His will says he was a grocer, it mentions his late wife Mary of Worleston.

I can't find anything to suggest this Joseph went to NSW

 

[horse]

I found a tree with an unsourced birth abt. 1811 and the following marriage..
Australia Marriage Index, 1788-1950
Name: Emily Jacobson
Spouse Name: Joseph Moulton
Marriage Date: 1864
Marriage Place: New South Wales
Registration Place: Camden, New South Wales
Registration Year: 1864
Registration number: 1796