Joseph PATE & Ellen FARMER

[DaveHam9]

Just received a copy of the marriage.

MARRIAGE

GROOM: Joseph PATE
Status: Bachelor
Place of Birth: Sydney, NSW
Occupation: Boiler Maker
Age: 22
Usual Residence: Erskine Street, Sydney
Father: Reuben PATE
Occupation: Tailor
Mother: Mary (Surname not stated)

BRIDE: Ellen FARMER
Status: Spinster
Place of Birth: Sydney, NSW
Occupation: Domestic Servant
Age: 19
Usual Residence: Millers Point, Sydney
Father: Edward FARMER
Occupation: Brassfounder
Mother: Jemima EVANS

Date of Marriage: 8 Feb 1868
Place of Marriage: Scots Church Sydney
Religion: Presbyterian
Witnesses: James WATSON, Maria PATE (Her x mark)
Minister: John Dunmore LANG

Notes: Birth Place/Age/Parent Details Were Obtained from Church Register No. 359 on 13/5/1915
Ref No.: 1868/140

 

[DaveHam9]

Baptisms solemnized in the Parish of St. Philip Sydney in the County of Cumberland in the Year 1850
No. - When Baptised: 19 May 1850 When Born: 8th January 1850 Eleanor daughter of Edward & Jemima Farmer Abode: Kent Street Quality or Profession: Brass-founder By whom the Ceremony was performed: William Cowper


Ellen's parents died before 1868 so there should have been mention of permission for her to marry.

Ellen gave a fales name - Adlem being her sister Emma's married name. Can't be Emma's daughter born abt 1858.

Bap 631 VOL 149/1859 EDLEM ELEANOR A - SAMUEL - EMMA


Birth 390/1868 ADLEM JOSEPH E - - ELLEN - SYDNEY

NAME: JOSEPH EDWARD ADLEM
*** OF CHILD: MALE
DATE OF BIRTH: 13 JAN 1868
PLACE: BENEVOLENT ASYLUM SYDNEY NSW
FATHER: ILLEGITIMATE
OCCUPATION:
BIRTHPLACE:
AGE:
DATE OF MARRIAGE:
PLACE OF MARRIAGE:
MOTHER: ELLEN ADLEM
BIRTHPLACE: NSW
AGE: 19
PREVIOUS ISSUE:
INFORMANT: ELLEN ADLEM, MOTHER, BENEVOLENT ASYLUM
PRESENT AT BIRTH: DR RENWICK, ELLEN KIRKMAN
REGISTERED: 28 FEB 1868 - SYDNEY
NOTES:

 

[DaveHam9]

Who is Maria Pate? Not Joseph's mother who died in 1862.

 

[gibbo]

The only Maria Pate i can find so far is

Marriage
1937/1880 RICKETTS THOMAS PATE MARIA NEWTOWN

Death
22235/1936 RICKETTS MARIA PATRICK CAROLINE BULLI

RICKETTS -December n 1936 at the residence of her son (Henry Charles) Main road Woonona, Maria relict of the late Thomas Ricketts of Camperdown In her 92nd year

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/page/1138439?

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks gibbo.

I have not found any Patrick or Caroline in the family so far so don't know.

Even if Maria was Mary it can't be the mother.

I've not looked yet to see if Maria's married name was PATE.

 

[DaveHam9]

Two to check
42/1853 V185342 39C PATE JAMES R - BUDDIVENT MARIA - CA
390/1863 PATE WILLIAM - FLYNN MARIA - SYDNEY

 

[DaveHam9]

Bap V1829574 13/1829 PATE JAMES R - REUBEN - MARY

Page 1
Baptisms solemnized in the District of Moreton Bay in the Year 1829
No. 4 When Baptised: Augt. 9th 1829 When Born: June 27th 1829 James Reuben - Reuben & Mary Pate Abode: Brisbane Town Moreton Bay Quality or Profession: Reuben a Prisoner of the Crown Mary Free By whom the Ceremony was performed: John Vincent

Death 3288/1859 PATE JAMES R - REUBEN - MARY - GRAFTON ** 22 Sep

Maria is therefore a sister-in-law of Joseph.