Just starting, need advice/tips

[antonia]

Hi there, I've just started tracing my family tree. Bit difficult as my decesed maternal grandfather so far I can't find a birth record.
His mother was Hermione Cradock, father Victor Grunhut. He was apparently illigitimate but there are some documents that my Grandmother has for me to look through, one is hermiones will naming my grandfather as her son.

He is Philip Alexander Hamilton, no ideas yet where Hamilton comes from!!

I have found Hermione, her bro & some of their ancestors. I have been told Admiral Cradock is a relation but can't work out how?

Is there a way to find what children someone had without knowing dates of birth?

I am enjoying the hunt but it is frustrating!!!

any tips appreciated!!!

Antonia x

 

[susanwillis59]

any ideas of places of birth or dates? you say that he was mentioned in a will does it give his age as you can work his date of birth out from that,even if he was illigitemate his birth would still have to be registered probably with the mothers name but no father.suex pswelcome to the site and happy hunting

 

[antonia]

Thanks I haven't seen the will yet, my grandmother is digging it out for our weekly friday lunch so will check any details I can gather on him. The family is all Newcastle/Yorkshire so far

 

[susanwillis59]

have found
philip alexander hamilton b.26 may 1913
dies march 1995 age 81 in newcastle on tyne.
counldnt find the birth with those parents you gave ,i think possibly the name change relates to his being adopted , might be worthwhile having a look to see if he was.suex

 

[antonia]

Thank you, yes that's him, that's the D.O.B my grandmother gave me, but as you say I couldn't find a birth record either.
Thanks for looking

Need to get a look at this will as I believe Hermione went on to marry and have another child. My grandmother gave me a married name Scott. Hoping these will be in will

 

[antonia]

The other thing I have is a newspaper article about Victor Grunhut, lawyer, and he does look like my Grandfather! I know they had contact and he met my Grandmother but my Grandfather never told her who he was until the end of his life. She remembers him coming to see my uncle when he was a boy.
It's all very wierd, he was very closed about talking about his family, everything my Grandmother knows she had to drag out of him apparently!
I am determind to find out!!!

 

[gortonboy]

1901 census----- "westoe", Westoe Village, South Shields

RG13 Piece: 4730 Folio: 161 Page: 33

GRUNHUT, Victor P G Head Married M 30 1871 Solicitor
Germany (British Subject)
GRUNHUT, Phyllis Wife Married F 23 1878
Newcastle
Northumberland
GRUNHUT, Victor S Son Single M 0 (3 MOS) 1901
So Shields
Durham
ELLER, Sarah Servant Single F 23 1878 Housemaid Domestic
Hull
Yorkshire
BEST, Mary Servant Single F 16 1885 Cook Domestic
East Jarrow
Durham
ARMSTRONG, Sarah J Servant Single F 43 1858 Nurse Domestic
West Errington
Durham

 

[gortonboy]

record of service of solicitors and articled clerks serving with his majesties forces

VICTOR GRUNHUT.

Admitted Feb. 1893, practising at South Shields. Mobilised Aug. 1914,
as Capt., 4th Northumbrian (Howitzer) Brigade Royal Field Artillery, promoted
Major Sept. 1916 and commanded the 2nd and 3rd Line 4th Northumbrian
(Howitzer) Brigade Royal Field Artillery. Placed on Territorial Reserve on
Nov. 22, 1917. Served at Home.

 

[juliejtp]

Phillis and Victor Philip James Grunhunt divorced, this is an open document on TNA which can be downloaded for a fee.

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/displaycataloguedetails.asp?CATLN=7&CATID=-3100795&j=1

 

[antonia]

That's brilliant thank you for everything guys!!!

 

[juliejtp]

Phyllis and Victor are both indexed on the 1911 undeer Greenhut census, district Gateshead. Young Victor isnt showing with them but there is a Stephen Greenhut born abt 1901 in an institution in Hemsworth,Yorkshire could he have been put under his middle name? His middle name is Stephenson.

 

[antonia]

That is interesting - how does one access the1911 census? I have an account on genes reunited and have looked at previous censuses

 

[juliejtp]

The 1911 census is via the findmypast site, will cost 10 credits for household transcript and 30 credits for the original page.

http://www.findmypast.co.uk/home.js...tentrytype=s&gclid=COagoqSU958CFaGX2Aod7jaTYA

 

[gortonboy]

victor was residing in gibside hall/mansion,burnopside by 1914...the mansion is 2 miles from whickham church on the banks of the river derwent....he had a business at the law courts buildings,13,west keppel street, grunhut & gill solicitors.

http://www.gateshead.gov.uk/Leisure and Culture/attractions/gibside.aspx

1908 Hall rented to Mr Victor Crunhut, Gateshead solicitor.

 

[TonyDunlop]

The other thing I have is a newspaper article about Victor Grunhut, lawyer, and he does look like my Grandfather! I know they had contact and he met my Grandmother but my Grandfather never told her who he was until the end of his life. She remembers him coming to see my uncle when he was a boy.
It's all very wierd, he was very closed about talking about his family, everything my Grandmother knows she had to drag out of him apparently!
I am determind to find out!!!

Antonia - just found this series of quotes - interested in Phylis GRUT - nee ROBSON.

Please respond at let me know you are still active

Tony