Kavanagh/cavanagh

[arickett1943]

My gr-grandfather James KAVANAGH supposedly left with a brother (either John or William) for the U.S. sometime between 1885 and 1901. He lived in Birkenhead, Cheshire at the time and rumour has it that he 'drowned at sea' and the brother ended up in California. The brothers were all born in COOLNALEEN, CO. KILKENNY and James arrived in Birkenhead approx. 1871 - do not know when either of the brothers arrived there. Their father was Patrick KAVANAGH and their mother Judith WALSH. Angela (Kavanagh) Rickett

 

[davelambert271]

do you know any ages please?

the only one's I can see with the info supplied is

13May1893 Liverpool to USA, James 38 (1865) and Thomas 24

and

5jul1900 Queenstown, Ireland to Philadelphia
Mary Adult single hse kpr
Jno (could be John) 16 labourer
James 14 labourer

 

[Elwyn]

The tithe applotment records for Coolnaleen in 1823 list a William Kavanagh with 9 acres of land. Likely to be a relation to Patrick K. (Possibly his father). They also list a John Walshe and a Thomas Wallis (which may be a variation on Walshe).

http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/home.jsp

Griffiths Valuation for 1850 lists Patrick Kavanagh in Coolnaleen. He had a farmhouse, outbuildings and 12 acres of land (plot 5) which, today, is just off the modern Crutt Rd. Should be easy enough to locate today.

There was also a James Walsh with land only (no house) in that townland. A relation of Judith’s perhaps?

http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/browse/counties/rcmaps/

In 1901 there were 10 households there, including one Kavanagh, who is presumably a descendant of Patrick.

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Kilkenny/Castlecomer/Coolnaleen/1459136/


Castlecomer RC parish records start in 1812, so you should be able to use them to build up a full picture of the Kavanagh family. Rootsireland has a copy of the parish records on their site (pay to view). Searching for children to Patrick Kavanagh & Judith Walsh born 1850 plus or minus 20 years brings up 7 matches. There’s a James Kavanagh birth/baptism to those parents in 1848. Don’t know if that fits with your information.

http://www.rootsireland.ie/

 

[arickett1943]

do you know any ages please?

the only one's I can see with the info supplied is

13May1893 Liverpool to USA, James 38 (1865) and Thomas 24

and

5jul1900 Queenstown, Ireland to Philadelphia
Mary Adult single hse kpr
Jno (could be John) 16 labourer
James 14 labourer

James was born 1848 but did not have a brother with the name Thomas so don't think that is him. His youngest daughter was born 1886 and his wife Elizabeth is shown as the Head of the house in 1891 census and as a widow in the 1901 census which gives me a time frame for his disappearance. I'm thinking he may have left circa 1890-1 and be enroute to the U.S.?? Thank you for your help.

 

[arickett1943]

The tithe applotment records for Coolnaleen in 1823 list a William Kavanagh with 9 acres of land. Likely to be a relation to Patrick K. (Possibly his father). They also list a John Walshe and a Thomas Wallis (which may be a variation on Walshe).

I think William may have been Patrick's father. Patrick's oldest child Margaret was born in 1842 so I'm assuming that he himself would have been about 20 in 1822. James was born in 1848.

http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/home.jsp

Griffiths Valuation for 1850 lists Patrick Kavanagh in Coolnaleen. He had a farmhouse, outbuildings and 12 acres of land (plot 5) which, today, is just off the modern Crutt Rd. Should be easy enough to locate today.

There was also a James Walsh with land only (no house) in that townland. A relation of Judith’s perhaps?

Judith's father was James Walsh but do not know her mother's name.

http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/browse/counties/rcmaps/

In 1901 there were 10 households there, including one Kavanagh, who is presumably a descendant of Patrick.

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Kilkenny/Castlecomer/Coolnaleen/1459136/
This might be the widow of one of James' brothers, John or William.

Castlecomer RC parish records start in 1812, so you should be able to use them to build up a full picture of the Kavanagh family. Rootsireland has a copy of the parish records on their site (pay to view). Searching for children to Patrick Kavanagh & Judith Walsh born 1850 plus or minus 20 years brings up 7 matches. There’s a James Kavanagh birth/baptism to those parents in 1848. Don’t know if that fits with your information.

http://www.rootsireland.ie/

I have already bought the baptismal records and also marriage record of Patrick and Judith - unfortunately it only showed the name of the 2 witnesses. I have not been able to find any other records as marriage, death etc. for the family. I know Patrick was dead when James married in Birkenhead in 1872 but do not know the date of his death. I'm assuming James emigrated to England on his own as the first record I have of him in Birkenhead was 1871.

Thank you for your help - Angela

 

[Elwyn]

If you want to find out when Patrick died, you would need to check the revaluation records in the Valuation Office in Dublin. (They are not on-line). You’ll see the year that he ceased to be the tenant of that farm (and who replaced him). If you e-mail them, they may help you with that.

Death registration only started in Ireland in 1864, so if he died before that you won’t get a death cert. If he died after 1.1.1864, the death should be registered in Castlecomer.