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KELTIE / KELTY family in Perth in 1841

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I'd like a look up please for the following KELTIE / KELTY family in either Culross, Perth or Dunfermline, Fife in 1841. The youngest daughter if it is their child was born in Dunfermline. If not then it's probably Perth where all the other children were born.

Adam b. abt 1760 where ? d. bef 1856
Elizabeth b. abt 1762 where ? d. bef 1856
Janet b. 1776 Culross, Perth d. ?
Adam b. 1779 Culross d. 1861 Torryburn, Fife
John b. 1782 Culross d. ?
James b. 1791 Culross d. ?

Indications are that Adam & Elizabeth died between 1855 and 23 Aug 1856. If that info is incorrect then you may only find son Adam who died on 24 Feb 1861.

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I'd like a look up please for the following KELTIE / KELTY family in either Culross, Perth or Dunfermline, Fife in 1841. The youngest daughter if it is their child was born in Dunfermline. If not then it's probably Perth where all the other children were born.

Adam b. abt 1760 where ? d. bef 1856
Elizabeth b. abt 1762 where ? d. bef 1856
Janet b. 1776 Culross, Perth d. ?
Adam b. 1779 Culross d. 1861 Torryburn, Fife
John b. 1782 Culross d. ?
James b. 1791 Culross d. ?

Indications are that Adam & Elizabeth died between 1855 and 23 Aug 1856. If that info is incorrect then you may only find son Adam who died on 24 Feb 1861.

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Dave
Hi Dave

Only one Adam KELTY I could find in 1841.

1841 Scotland census
Civil Parish: Torryburn
County: Fife
Address: Torryburn Low St

KELTY Adam 1786 age 66 Cotton H L W Scotland
KELTY Margaret 1786 age 55 Scotland
KELTY James 1816 age 25 Damask H L W England
KELTY Cecilia 1816 age 25 Fife, Scotland
KELTY Cecilia B 1838 age 3 Fife, Scotland
KELTY James 1840 1 2mo Fife, Scotland

Also VINT family on census


EDIT:- The only KELTY family in Torryburn
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Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much. It fits. I had son Adam's possible spouse as Margaret. They married in Edinburgh which seemed odd. Most of the KELTIE are from Culross, Perth and like the SANDS from Torryburn they ended up in Dunfermline. Curious that one family would make their home in the tiny village of Torryburn.

Please see if you can find them in Torryburn in 1851. I hope it says Margaret was born in Midlothian.

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Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much. It fits. I had son Adam's possible spouse as Margaret. They married in Edinburgh which seemed odd. Most of the KELTIE are from Culross, Perth and like the SANDS from Torryburn they ended up in Dunfermline. Curious that one family would make their home in the tiny village of Torryburn.

Please see if you can find them in Torryburn in 1851. I hope it says Margaret was born in Midlothian.

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Hi Dave

I think this may be them in 1851 transcribed as RETTIE & KILTIE

1851 Scotland census
Civil Parish: Torryburn
County: Fife
Address: Huntey Nyad

RETTIE Adam 1791 age 60 Hand Loom Weaver Collon Cubroy, Perthshire
KILTIE Margaret 1789 age 62 Weaver Catton Pathhead, Midlothian


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Hello crankypants,

Great work !! :D Margaret born in Midlothian.

Translating that: collon = cotton, catton = cotton, cubroy = culross and pathhead = pathhead a small village in Midlothian.

His age is way out:
Death: 14 Feb 1861; Torryburn, Fife, Scotland; Adam Keltie, weaver, married; age 80 years;

Please see if you can find Margaret in 1861. I have no info re her death.

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Hello crankypants,

Great work !! :D Margaret born in Midlothian.

Translating that: collon = cotton, catton = cotton, cubroy = culross and pathhead = pathhead a small village in Midlothian.

His age is way out:
Death: 14 Feb 1861; Torryburn, Fife, Scotland; Adam Keltie, weaver, married; age 80 years;

Please see if you can find Margaret in 1861. I have no info re her death.

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Dave
Hi Dave

Another misspelling

1861 Scotland census
Civil Parish: Torryburn
County: Fife
Address: 16 High Street

RENNIE Margaret lodger 1790 age 71 Coal Miners Widow Parish of Dunfermline, Fifeshire

(Head of house David CURRIE)


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Hello crankypants,

Thanks. I'm not so sure about that one. As well as the name both of these have to be wrong too: 'Coal Miners Widow Parish of Dunfermline'.

There are 27 Margaret WATSON born in Midlothian and 3 in Dalkeith, the closest town to Pathhead. I'll have to check SP with my zero-credit account for a death for Margaret.

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Hello crankypants,

Please see if you can find a James MASTERTON living near 16 High St Torryburn in 1861.

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Hello crankypants,

:D Yes, I dunno. I asked because he was the neighbour who was the informant at the death of Adam on 14 Feb 1861 not long before the census so I was hoping he'd be there near #16 in 1861.

Re Margaret, it may say Dalkeith instead of Pathhead being the closest town.

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Hello crankypants,

The neighbour who was the informant for Adam's death would ONLY be living near 16 High Street IF that's the correct Margaret. Since that is probably a different Margaret we don't really know where Adam was living in Torryburn in Feb 1861. Oh, the spelling of MASTERTON is as per the transcription I was given. I have some but not that one.

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Hi Dave

Will check in half hour. Thought my computer was having a dummy spit so restarted laptop but it seems it's the big "A" thats spat the dummy.:confused: :confused:

CP

EDIT: It's only the Scottish census that are having problems, English census ok, crazy & frustrating wesbite.
 
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Hello crankypants,

I have just received three branches of the KELTIE tree from a fellow researcher in USA. I now have a few more look up requests. And, of course, another puzzle to solve. :D

Please see if you can find the following KELTIE family, probably in Clackmannan.

Depends if we have 1 or 2 John KELTIE - one born 1782 Culross, Perth or another born abt 1791 not in Culross. That's why without some help from the census I don't which one married Margaret.

John b. 1782-1791 (yes we dunno) where ?
Margaret b. abt 1786 (they married in Alloa, Clackmannan in 1807 so I'd guess she was born there)
Margaret b. aft 1807 ?
John b. 1812 d. 1882 (Married Helen in Apr 1841)
Elizabeth b. aft 1812 ?

Margaret and Elizabeth are probably not with their parents in 1841. No one yet knows if they married or when they died.
Son John died 1882 and married April 1841 so he may still be with his parents. All we know about John, Snr is that he died before his son did in 1882.

What we have is either 8 or 11 children in total depending if some with the same name died young. But the complicating thing is that in the death certificates found so far the mother's MS is either DUNDASS or BLAIR.

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Dave
 
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Hello crankypants,

Addition:
Margaret was born 1807 in Alloa, Clackmannan
John was born 1812 in Alloa, Clackmannan
Elizabeth - no IGI entry

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Hello crankypants,

Addition:
Margaret was born 1807 in Alloa, Clackmannan
John was born 1812 in Alloa, Clackmannan
Elizabeth - no IGI entry

Thanks.

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Hi Dave

When the main Scottish census database is running correctly I will have another look for John KELTIE (senior).
Found John KELTIE b. 1812 Alloa.

Family transcribed twice in 1851 census SHELLIE & THETTIE

1851 Scotland census
Civil Parish: Alloa
County: Clackmannanshire
Address: 4


SHELLIE John head 1813 age 38 Shore Master Alloa, Clackmannanshire
SHELLIE Helen A wife 1817 age 34 Edinburgh, Midlothian
SHELLIE Mary daur 1844 age 7 Scholar Alloa, Clackmannanshire
HUTCHISON Michael Nephew 1841 age 10 Scholar Glasgow, Lanark
FLOCKHART John Nephew 1838 age 13 App Engineer Glasgow, Lanark
FLOCKGART Andrew Nephew 1843 age 8 Scholar Alloa, Clackmannanshire
SUTHERLAND Mary servant 1836 age 15 Waisly, Renfrewshire

1861 Scotland census
Civil Parish: Alloa
County: Clackmannanshire
Address: 3 Shore


KELTIE John head 1812 age 49 Shipping Clerk Alloa, Clackmannanshire
KELTIE Helen A wife 1817 age 44 Edinburgh
KELTIE Mary H daur 1844 age 17 Alloa, Clackmannanshire
FLOCKHART Andrew nephew 1842 age 19 Alloa, Clackmannanshire

1881 Scotland census
Civil Parish: Leith South
County: Midlothian
Address: 2


SHARP Mary wife 1845 age 36 Wife Of A Seaman Alloa, Clackmannanshire
SHARP Alexander son 1875 age 6 Alloa, Clackmannanshire
SHARP Helen daur 1877 age 4 Alloa, Clackmannanshire
SHARP John son 1879 age 2 Alloa, Clackmannanshire
SHARP Thomas 1818 age 5 days So Leith, Midlothian
KELTIE John father-in-law 1812 age 69 Retired Shipping Clerk Alloa, Clackmannan
LYON Grace nurse 1816 age 65 So Leith, Midlothian

Still need to find them in 1871.

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Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much. I can confirm it is SHARP and FLOCKHART.

John MOODIE married Margaret HARVEY/HERVEY and a son John married Helen VIRTUE and daughter Elizabeth married James FLOCKHART.

John & Helen's daughter Mary married Thomas SHARP.

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1841 Scotland census
Civil Parish: Torryburn
County: Fife
Address: Torryburn Low St

KELTY Adam 1786 age 66 Cotton H L W Scotland
KELTY Margaret 1786 age 55 Scotland
KELTY James 1816 age 25 Damask H L W England
KELTY Cecilia 1816 age 25 Fife, Scotland
KELTY Cecilia B 1838 age 3 Fife, Scotland
KELTY James 1840 1 2mo Fife, Scotland
I can explain this one now.

Adam married Margaret WATSON in 1802 in Edinburgh and they had two sons:

Adam b. 1803 Culross, Perth (very near the village of Torryburn - I walked the village 15 months ago)
James b. 1816 England ??

James b. 1816 married Cecilia MASTERTON possibly in England (I can't find in IGI so far) and they had several children all born in Torryburn:

Adam b. 1835
Cecilia b. 1837
James b. 1840
John b. 1842
David b. 1845
William b. 1847
Margaret b. 1849

Please see if you can find James & Cecilia and family in 1851.

Thanks.

Somewhere there is a James MASTERTON too:

Adam KELTIE's death certificate:

Death: 14 Feb 1861; Torryburn, Fife, Scotland; Adam Keltie, weaver, married; age 80 years; parents Adam Keltie, seaman and Elizabeth Keltie M.S. Blair; died from gradual decline from old age; witness James Masterton, neighbour.

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Hi Dave

1851 Scotland census
Civil Parish: Alloa
Town: Gaberston
County: Clackmannanshire
Address: Gaberston


KELIE James head 1814 age 37 Hand Loom Weaver (wool) England
KELIE Cecilia wife 1816 age 35 Torryburn, Fifesh
KELIE Cecilia daur 1836 age 15 Torryburn, Fifesh
KELIE Adam son 1838 age 13 Torryburn, Fifesh
KELIE James son 1849 age 11 Torryburn, Fifesh
KELIE John son 1842 age 9 Torryburn, Fifesh
KELIE David son 1844 age 7 Torryburn, Fifesh
KELIE William son 1847 age 4 Torryburn, Fifesh
KELIE Margaret daur 1850 age 1 Torryburn, Fifesh

James MASTERTON will have to have a better search later.

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Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much. I wonder where James & Cecilia married.

There may be a whole MASTERTON family in Torryburn. I don't know at the moment. I was asked to help solve the BLAIR / DUNDASS puzzle and these families are part of the BLAIR side of it.

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Hello crankypants,

The neighbour who was the informant for Adam's death would ONLY be living near 16 High Street IF that's the correct Margaret. Since that is probably a different Margaret we don't really know where Adam was living in Torryburn in Feb 1861. Oh, the spelling of MASTERTON is as per the transcription I was given. I have some but not that one.

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Hi Dave

There is a James MASTERTON in 1851 living in High Street, Torryburn. He may of moved by 1861 to James Place, need to recheck as birth year out so not 100% sure.

1851 Scotland census
Civil Parish: Torryburn
County: Fife
Address High Street


KENNEDY John head 1782 age 69 Carter Torryburn, Fife
KENNEDY Isabel daughter 1811 age 40 Dressmaker Torryburn, Fife
KENNEDY Jane daughter 1816 age 35 Torryburn, Fife
MASTERTON James grandson 1832 age 19 Batcher Torryburn, Fife
WESTWOOD Jena male 1815 age 36 Cotton Weaver Torryburn, Fife

Does the Kennedy family ring a bell.

In 1841 this family is living at Torryburn Brewery Wynd, there is a John AITKEN age 2 at this address.

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