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Kenneth James GILLIES

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Hello,

Births Sep 1892
Gillies Kenneth James Wirral 8a 483

parents Robert GILLIES & Ellen Sarah YOUNG


Family arrived in Australia ??? before 14 Oct 1915.

Regards,

Dave
 
Are you able to view public member trees on Anc. Dave? There's an unsourced tree giving dates of death for Kenneth as 1952, no place name but both parents as dying in Burwood Sydney. Robert died 1934 and Ellen 1948.

Haven't yet located them on passenger listings.
 
On that tree, Ellen's father James is listed as dying in 1908 at Liverpool. Onondaga, New York USA, her mother Ann (no maiden name listed) died same year, same place.

Robert's father also Robert is listed as born 1830 and marrying Mary Dunlop. Robert age 11 is listed in 1841 Lothian Scotland with his apparent stepfather:
1841 census Scotland
Civil parish: Ormiston County: East Lothian
Address: Lymielands Parish Number: 715
George Richardson 25
Mary Richardson 30
Anne Gillies 13
Robert Gillies 11
Mary Richardson 4
Helen Richardson 1
Marion Richardson 1 month
Alice Reid 15

This Robert is listed with a reference to being a merchant age 41 head of household in the 1871 census for Sullivan, Ontario Canada.
 
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Hello Woody,

Thanks for looking. No, but it does not matter. I can confirm the deaths of Kenneth in Victoria and his parents in NSW:

Surname: GILLIES
Given Names: Kenneth Jas
Father: Robert
Mother: Ellen YOUNG
Death Place: F GULLY
Age: 60
Year: 1952
Reg Number: 16745
Event: D

The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848-1954) - Friday 7 March 1952 p.12
DEATHS
GILLIES. -On March 5, at his residence Hathaway, Olinda, Kenneth James, dearly beloved husband of Clara. (Privately cremated.)

Death 14419/1948 GILLIES ELLEN SARAH - JAMES - ANN - BURWOOD

Death 15505/1934 GILLIES ROBERT - ROBERT - MARY - BURWOOD

I don't know where James and Ann died so I can't confirm it was USA.

Regards,

Dave
 
Ann ASTLEY and I think they both died in Lancs not USA but I can't prove it yet.

I can't find this marriage:

Robert GILLIES & Ellen Sarah YOUNG

I wonder if it is in Australia and they returned to UK and Kenneth was born there and then they returned to Australia. ???

This looks like the eldest:

Births Dec 1887
Gillies Ronald Wirral 8a 435

Kenneth's sister married in NSW:

7325/1916 KING NORMAN S - GILLIES ELLEN - BURWOOD
 
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I have been working real hard this morning :biggrin:

Got this for you...


The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842 - 1954)
Saturday 25 August 1934

MR. ROBERT GILLIES.
Mr Robert Gillies who died al his home Selbourne street Burwood on Thursday aged BO years had been for 30 years connected with the Starr-Bowkett societies at Burwood Ash- field and Rose Bay as secretary Mr Gillies was secretary of the Western Suburbs Hospi- tal for some years and secretary and auditor of the committee of management of the Bur- wood Presbyterian Church He was piesl dent of the Burwood Progress Association In his eaily days he took a keen interest in poll tics and was campaign secretary for the late Mr Bruce Smith when he entered the first redorai Parliament
Bom in Irvine Ayrshire Scotland Mr Gillies in his early years was employed by the London Bank of Brazil at Pernambuca and Bania Brazil and later set up business in Liverpool England as a rubber merchant but owing to ill-health came to New South Wales In 1895 he became a biscuit manufacturer at the Argyll Biscuit Tactory Millers Point and carried on the business until The Rocks re- sumptions by the Government when he settled in Burwood and devoted his energies to Starr Bowkett societies He Is survived by the widow three sons and three daughters

The remains were cremated at Rookwood yesterday The Rev J B Galloway Presby- terian minister at Burwood conducted ser- vices at the home and the Crematorium
The chief mourners were Messrs Ronald and -rank Gillies (sons! Neuman Kins mid C Q Lcsslie Isons in law)


And got this for you also :biggrin:

The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842 - 1954)
Wednesday 13 November 1895

SHIPPING.
ARRIVALS.-November 12.

Valetta, R.M 8 , mot tons, Captain Atkinson, from Lon- don, via ports Passengers-From Thornton to Mnry lorough Mr B W. Palmes 1'ro.n 1 on Jon to Welling- ton Colonel Carljon, Miss Carlyon, Mr L J A Burket Prom London tobjdney Mr and Mrs Robert Gillies, 4 children 1 infant and nurse. Miks Bacon, Surgeon V 8 Lilley, Miss St John, Mr It Gemmell, etc etc



GILLIES ROBT. MR PASSENGER
GILLIES MRS PASSENGER & Nurse
GILLIES CHILD 1 PASSENGER
GILLIES CHILD 2 PASSENGER
GILLIES CHILD 3 PASSENGER
GILLIES CHILD 4 PASSENGER
GILLIES INFANT PASSENGER

http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/1895/11/066val.htm
 
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Thanks gibbo. ;)

98% :2fun: because I can't find this marriage:

Robert GILLIES & Ellen Sarah YOUNG

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Births Dec 1887
Gillies Ronald Wirral 8a 435
Births Dec 1888
GILLIES Robert Wirral 8a 431
Births Mar 1890
Gillies Frank Wirral 8a 446
Births Sep 1892
Gillies Kenneth James Wirral 8a 483
Births Sep 1895
Gillies Annie Astley Wirral 8a 467

Kenneth's sister married in NSW:

7325/1916 KING NORMAN S - GILLIES ELLEN - BURWOOD

Ellen b. ??? So was Ellen born in Australia but no reg?

This is the only one I can see in NSW:

8979/1902 GILLIES MARY - ROBERT - ELLEN S - SYDNEY

And it proves that Robert didn't remarry and that Ellen S was his 2nd spouse. She is the only one so where is the marriage?
 
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Well i have one of those for you :biggrin:

Looking at the actual newspaper article in Trove it has son in laws Norman King and C G Lesslie. What i posted on here was the transcribed article or what ever they call it and the son in laws names didnt make sense so i checked the actual article out again.

NSW marriage indexes
7325/1916 KING NORMAN S GILLIES ELLEN BURWOOD

2731/1930 LESSLIE CHARLES G GILLIES ANNIE A BURWOOD
 
Thanks. I didn't have the marriage for Annie. Annie was the infant on the vessel. Ellen is not listed in the births in England so she must have been born soon after arrival but before Mary. I've only checked NSW so far for a birth for Ellen.
 
Maybe Ellen was born in England Dave :confused:

The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842 - 1954)
Saturday 27 May 1916

KING-GILLIES.-April 26, at St. James's Presbyterian

Church, Burwood, by the Rev. R. Scott-West, Mode rator of the General Assembly, Norman Spencer, elder son of Mr. and Mrs. Walter King, Burwood, to Ellen, eldest daughter of Mr. and Mrs. Robert Gillies, Burwood
 
Post #8 there are 4 children + infant so for Ellen to be the eldest then one of the first four (not Kenneth) died or didn't arrive with family.

So where and when was Ellen born? Might help us find the marriage.
 
Ellen is not married in 1881. So marriage 1881 - 1887.


1881
RG11 Piece / Folio 3713 / 9 Page 16
Census Place West Derby, Lancashire, England
Dwelling 3 Radstock Road
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
James YOUNG Head M Male 50 Lancashire, England Alkali Manufacturer
Ann YOUNG Wife M Female 55 Lancashire, England
Wm.W. YOUNG Son U Male 24 Lancashire, England Manager Of Chemical Works
Annie M. YOUNG Daur U Female 27 Lancashire, England
Robert YOUNG Son U Male 21 Lancashire, England Chemist In Alkali Works
Ellen S. YOUNG Daur U Female 19 Lancashire, England

:2fun: Ellen is 3 months old at census time.

1891
Civil Parish: Little Sutton
Eccl. parish: St Paul
Town: Little Sutton
County: Cheshire
Registration District: Wirral
Sub-RD: Eastham
ED: 2
Address: Chester Road
Robert Gilles Head 37 b. Scotland Occ. merchant
Ellen S Gilles Wife 29 b. Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Ronald Gilles 3
Robert Gilles 2
Frank Gilles 1
Ellen Gilles 3/12 b. Liverpool

The odd one out. Birth registered in a different district:

Births Mar 1891
Gillies Ellen W. Derby 8b 605

Ok it fits - Robert died:

Deaths Dec 1894
GILLIES Robert 5 Wirral 8a 281
 
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Ha. :eek:

Marriages Mar 1886
BERRY Thomas W. Derby 8b 720
FLYNN Martha Ann W. Derby 8b 720
Gillies Robert W. Derby 8b 720
 
Looks as though Ellen's name is not in the marriage index or on FS or Lancs OPC.

Yes. Case closed thanks. :)
 
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