KILNER family in Huddersfield in 1841

[DaveHam9]

I'd like a look up please for the KILNER family in Huddersfield in 1841.

Thomas b. abt 1783
Harriet b. abt 1785
John b. 1807
Ruth
Thomas
George
Harriet
Emma
Henry
Ellen
Catharine b. 1826

I think all the children were born in Huddersfield and baptised in the Independent Chapel in Highfield.

Thanks.

Dave

 

[emeltee]

Hi Dave,
Can't seem to see your family in 1841 but I have got the following Non Conformist births/baptisms for you. All the children were born to Thomas and Harriott Kilner and baptised at Highfield Independent Chapel, Huddersfield

John Hirst Kilner born 18 May 1807 baptised 4 June 1807

Mary Ruth Kilner born 29 Aug 1808 baptised 15 Sep 1808

Charles Kilner born 9 June 1810 baptised 18 June 1810

Thomas Kilner born 29 Jan 1812 baptised 12 Mar 1812

George Hirst Kilner born 10 Sep 1813 baptised 20 Oct 1813

? Kilner born 10 June 1815 baptised 12 July 1815

Harriot Kilner born 27 Feb 1817 baptised 28 April 1817

Emma Kilner born 29 Sep 1818 baptised 28 Oct 1818

Henry Kilner born 3 Mar 1821 baptised 30 March 1821

Ellen Kilner born 30 May 1824 baptised 27 June 1824

Catherine Goddard Kilner born 5 July 1826 baptised 4 Aug 1826

The child with no name is because of the was the register had been folde when it was filmed and the name cannot be seen. I think it was a girl - will get back to you on that. I'm off to check for Thomas and Harriott again. I only had a quick look last time and haven't yet checked alternatrive spellings.

Emeltee

 

[crankypants]

Hi Dave

1841 U.K census

Address – West Side, Northgate, Borough of Huddersfield
Agbrigg (Upper Division)

Thomas KILNER b. abt 1781 60 Merchant Yorkshire
Harriett KILNER b. abt 1791 50 Yorkshire
George KILNER b. abt 1816 25 Warehouseman Yorkshire
Harriet KILNER b. abt 1821 20 Yorkshire
Emma KILNER b. abt 1821 20 Yorkshire
Catherine KILNER b. abt 1827 14 Yorkshire

John, Ruth, Thomas, Henry, Ellen not present

This may be two of the brothers John & Thomas
(note John's birth year in 1851 is 1808)

1841 U.K census

Address – Queens Street, Borough of Huddersfield
Agbrigg (Upper Division)

John H KILNER b. abt 1811 30 Woollen Cloth Merchant Yorkshire
Sarah KILNER b. abt 1811 30 Yorkshire
Frederick KILNER b. abt 1838 3 Yorkshire
Emily KILNER b. abt 1839 2 Yorkshire
Henry KILNER b. abt 1840 7 mths Yorkshire


1841 U.K census

Address – Land-End, Borough of Huddersfield
Agbrigg (Upper Division)

Thomas KILNER b. abt 1816 25 Merchant Yorkshire
Ann KILNER b. abt 1821 20 Yorkshire


Cheers
crankypants

 

[emeltee]

Hi Dave ,

Was about to give you the Kilners in 1841 but Crankypants has beaten me to it. My site had them transcribed as Kilver.
I have checked the baptism image again for the child with no name and it was a daughter.

Cheers
Emeltee

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello Emeltee,

Thank you very much. Yes, a female who died aged 9 or 11 on 8 Jul 1824 or 1826. A long time ago I found a site on the internet that had the headstone inscriptions and many of the KILNER were listed but there were many errors in the transcription. Sometimes the age was way out and sometimes the age seemed correct but the year was way out. The MI for this one was "Headstone 169: 8 Jul 1824 age 11"

I cannot find that free site any more. Perhaps it has changed host and become a subscription site?

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much. I now have to make some additions to my tree.

I didn't know John H (= Hirst - his mother's name) had married. I also didn't know Thomas had married.

I can't find a marriage for either of them in IGI.

Mary Ruth married on 4 Jan 1842 in Adelaide, South Australia to a Matthew MOORHOUSE b. 1813 in Huddersfield. Now, I call that 'running away from home' :2fun:

Henry also ended up in Australia. Possibly on the 'Chaseley' in May 1849. He is the one I'm distantly related to.

Ellen died aged 15 weeks on 17 Sep 1824 according to that MI site I mentioned.

Also, for Harriott (nee HIRST) I have this: "Buried Independent Highfield Headstone 169: 28 Feb 1858 Died age 63." So that does not add up. I have this too:

Deaths Mar 1849
Kilner Harriet Huddersfield 22 275

So I'd say she died 28 Feb 1849. I have no death for spouse Thomas or for several of the children so further census listings may help narrow the search to a 10-year period and help make sense of the other MI that I have.

Thomas was baptised on 3 Mar 1783 at St Peter's Huddersfield - parents George & ?

Please see if you can find Thomas with some of the children in 1851.

Also John H & Sarah and Thomas & Ann.

Thanks.

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

I'm not having much luck with IGI or FreeBMD finding the marriages or the births of the children:

I can't find a marriage for John Hirst & Sarah.

I can't find Frederick but it looks as though I have the next two:
Births Mar 1839
Kilner Emily Huddersfield 22 319

Births Sep 1840
Kilner Henry Huddersfield 22 317

--------------------------------
I have this possible match:

Marriages Jun 1840
KILNER Thomas Henry Huddersfield 22 189
WOODCOCK Ann Huddersfield 22 189 ?
+ 2x Hannah

and two possible children Batch: I020283
Emileen c. 31 Aug 1848 Kirkheaton, Yorkshire
Agnes c. 23 Dec 1849 Kirkheaton, Yorkshire

Regards,

Dave

 

[crankypants]

Hi Dave

John Hirst KILNER in the 1851 census

Address - (can’t make out the street name) Huddersfield, Yorkshire

John Hirst KILNER b. abt 1808 age 43 Accountant Huddersfield, Yorkshire
Sarah KILNER b. abt 1808 age 43 Huddersfield, Yorkshire
Amelia KILNER b. abt 1839 age 12 Huddersfield, Yorkshire
Henry KILNER b. abt 1841 age 10 Huddersfield, Yorkshire
Thomas KILNER b. abt 1843 age 8 Huddersfield, Yorkshire
Alfred KILNER b. abt 1844 age 7 Huddersfield, Yorkshire
John Herbert KILNER b. abt 1846 age 5 Huddersfield, Yorkshire
George KILNER b. abt 1848 age 3 Huddersfield, Yorkshire

Haven't been able to find Thomas KILNER & Ann yet (will keep looking)

You mention their sister Mary Ruth & Henry coming out to Australia. Do you think perhaps Thomas & wife also made that journey after 1841.

Did you want the other census years 1861 onwards for John Hirst KILNER.

I will search tonight for any marriages of John & Thomas.

I have the South Australia BDM cd's so if you need any lookups I'll be happy to search.

Cheers
crankypants

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much. I have no information that Thomas & Ann went to Australia. I can't find a death in Qld. or NSW for either of them.

Yes please, for further census listings. I think John Hirst dies in 1879 in Huddersfield, but I don't know about Sarah.

I've had no luck finding anything new.

I have several in my tree with a South Australian connection so I may have some outstanding queries. I'll check.

Regards,

Dave

 

[crankypants]

Hi Dave

1861 census - Spring Street West, Huddersfield, Yorkshire

John KILNER b. abt 1808 age 53 Accountant Huddersfield, Yorkshire
Sarah KILNER b. abt 1808 age 53 Huddersfield, Yorkshire
Emily KILNER b. abt 1839 age 22 Huddersfield, Yorkshire
Henry KILNER b. abt 1841 age 20 Bookkeeper Dye Works Huddersfield, Yorkshire
Thomas KILNER b. abt 1842 age 19 Telegraph Clerk Huddersfield, Yorkshire
Alfred KILNER b. abt 1844 age 17 Clerk Huddersfield, Yorkshire
John H KILNER b. abt 1846 age 15 Clerk Gas Works Huddersfield, Yorkshire
Ann ROBERTS (SERVANT)

1871 census - Spring Street, Huddersfield, Yorkshire
first three names transcribed as VULNER

John H KILNER b. abt 1808 age 63 Bookeeper Huddersfield, Yorkshire
Emily KILNER b. abt 1839 age 32 Huddersfield, Yorkshire
Henry KILNER b. abt 1841 age 30 Manager Dye Works Huddersfield, Yorkshire
Thomas KILNER b. abt 1843 age 28 Bookeeper Huddersfield, Yorkshire
Alfred KILNER b. abt 1844 age 27 Common Carriers Agent Huddersfield, Yorkshire
George W KILNER b. abt 1848 age 23 Warehouseman Huddersfield, Yorkshire
Ann ROBERTS (SERVANT)

1881 census - Spring Street, Huddersfield, Yorkshire

Alfred KILNER b. abt 1844 age 37 Railway Companys Clerk Huddersfield, Yorkshire
Emily KILNER b. abt 1839 age 42 Huddersfield, Yorkshire
George W KILNER b. abt 1848 age 33 Wool Warehouseman Huddersfield, Yorkshire

1891 census - Spring Street, Huddersfield, Yorkshire

Emily KILNER b. abt 1839 age 52 Huddersfield, Yorkshire
Geo Wm KILNER b. abt 1849 age 42 Warehouseman Huddersfield, Yorkshire
Hannah LEES (SERVANT)

1901 census - Spring Street, Huddersfield, Yorkshire

Emily KILNER b. abt 1839 age 52 Huddersfield, Yorkshire
Charlotte HALL (SERVANT)

1891 census - New North Road, Huddersfield, Yorkshire
Transcribed as HILNER

Alfred KILNER b. abt 1844 age 47 Railway Agent Huddersfield, Yorkshire
Ann Ella KILNER wife b. abt 1847 age 44 Huddersfield, Yorkshire
Susan VALENTINE (SERVANT)

1901 census - Trinity Street, Huddersfield, Yorkshire

Alfred KILNER b. abt 1844 age 57 Railway Agent Huddersfield, Yorkshire
Hettie E KILNER wife b. abt 1874 age 27 Yarmouth, Norfolk
Harrison KILNER son b. abt 1897 age 4 Huddersfield, Yorkshire

Note George W KILNER not present in 1861 (still looking)

Cheers
crankypants

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much for those look ups. It looks as though Sarah died between 1861 and 1871. There are 7 possible ones in Huddersfield in FreeBMD. Rule out one if the age is correct and rule one in if the age is correct. The others have no age.

Is there a lodger with them in 1851 named Wiliam Brace?

Deaths Sep 1867
Kilner Sarah 59 Huddersfield 9a 216

Deaths Mar 1879
Kilner John Hirst 71 Huddersfield 9a 303


Regards,

Dave

 

[crankypants]

Hi

Sorry I missed him, he was on the next census page.

1851 census

William BRACE (brother) unmarried age 26 (Chemist) Huddersfield, Yorkshire

Cheers
cp

 

[crankypants]

Hi Dave

Not sure if you have access to the GALE NEWSPAPER COLLECTION.

There is a marriage notice, it reads:-

The Leeds Mercury (Leeds, England), Saturday, April 25, 1835; Issue 3487. (1421 words)

Same day, at St. Paul's Church, Huddersfield, by the Rev. J. C. Franks, Mr. John Hirst Kilner, eldest son of Mr. Thomas Kilner, of Carr House, to Sarah, daughter of the late Mr. Thomas Dransfield, of Huddersfield.

At least now you have Sarah's maiden name& marriage date.

Thought I'd do a search on Carr House Huddersfield and found a death of daughter of Thomas Kilner.

The Leeds Mercury (Leeds, England), Saturday, July 18, 1840; Issue 5561. (2138 words)

Same day, at the parish church, Huddersfield, by the Rev. T. Manning, W. J. Clarke, Esq, Surgeon, to Eliza, daughter of Thomas Kilner, Esq, of Carr House, Huddersfield.

There is a very long article relating to a story called ELOPEMENT EXTRAORDINARY which mentions Mr Hall & Miss Brooks, also mentions Mr Kilner Carr House. Have you read this !!!!

Another site which you can access.
http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/search
relating to a partneship dissolved between Thomas KILNER & John Hirst KILNER
cheers
cp

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much. No, I've not see those articles nor knew of 'Carr House' and now I have many more questions.

As a general rule, I should do more searching of all old newspapers that are free to access.

If William BRACE is a brother then he has to be a brother of Sarah?? If he is a brother-in-law then how can he fit into that family?

Re the death of Eliza, I have no Eliza born to Thomas & Harriet and I can't find one in IGI. Curious.

Regards,

Dave

 

[crankypants]

Hi Dave

Have tried to find William BRACE in 1841 & 1861 etc but to no avail.

I went back to look at the 1851 census and looking at the surname the first letter looks like a "P", especially when you view the "B" in brother.
I did find three names "PRACE" born in Huddersfield, but still no luck with William.
The million dollar question is he a brother of Sarah or inlaw of John. who!!!!
According to the newspaper article Sarah's maiden name is DRANSFIELD.
Do you have anymore information on him, I thought perhaps being a Chemist there would be more clues to him.

Cheers
crankypants

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thanks for looking at the image. I actually have no other information apart from the 'brother' bit in the census. The newspaper article is no doubt correct with DANSFIELD. I will look using PRACE now.

Regards,

Dave

 

[crankypants]

Hi Dave

Found a marriage for Harriet KILNER in 1844.

The Leeds Mercury (Leeds, England), Saturday, May 25, 1844; Issue 5764.

On Saturday at Ramsden-street chapel, Huddersfield, by the Rev. R. Bell,
Mr. Mellor od Saladine Nook, to Harriet, third daughter of Thomas Kilner, Esq., of Carr House, Huddersfield.

Cheers
crankypants

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Thank you very much. That's one more I didn't have. I can't find it in IGI. Looks like lots of the family were married and baptised in NC places most of which are not in IGI.

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello crankypants,

Please see if you can find Thomas and Ann and family in 1851.

I have two children:

Batch: I020283
Agnes c. 23 Dec 1849 Kirkheaton, Yorkshire
Emileen c. 31 Aug 1848 Kirkheaton, Yorkshire

There may be more because their marriage was in 1840:

Marriages Jun 1840
KILNER Thomas Henry Huddersfield 22 189
WOODCOCK Ann Huddersfield 22 189
+ 2x Hannah


Thanks.

Dave

 

[crankypants]

Hi Dave

Finally found Thomas 1851 in Dalton


1851 census – Dalton, Yorkshire (two families on page) Are they connected ?

Mattie KILNER head widow abt. 1783 age 68 House-Keeper Yorkshire Dalton
Sarah KILNER daur abt. 1811 age 40 Milner & Dressmaker Yorkshire Dalton
George KILNER son abt. 1830 age 31 Wool Carder Yorkshire Dalton
Emma KILNER daur abt. 1822 age 29 Milner & Dressmaker Yorkshire Dalton
____________________________________________________________
Thomas H KILNER head abt. 1817 age 34 Wool Carder Yorkshire Dalton
Ann KILNER wife abt. 1821 age 30 Yorkshire Dalton
George KILNER son abt. 1841 age 10 Yorkshire Dalton
Fred KILNER son abt. 1842 age 9 Yorkshire Dalton
Charles KILNER son abt. 1844 age 7 Yorkshire Dalton
Emeline KILNER daur abt. 1847 age 4 Yorkshire Dalton
Agnes KILNER daur abt. 1850 age 1 Yorkshire Dalton

1861 census – Huddersfield, Yorkshire

Thomas KILNER head abt. 1817 age 44 Woolen Engineer Yorkshire Huddersfield
Harriet KILNER wife abt. 1834 age 27 Yorkshire Huddersfield
George KILNER son abt. 1841 age 20 Carter Yorkshire Huddersfield
Fred KILNER son abt. 1842 age 19 Woolen Spinner Yorkshire Huddersfield
Charles E KILNER son abt. 1844 age 17 Woolen ?licer Yorkshire Huddersfield
Willie KILNER son abt. 1857 age 4 Yorkshire Huddersfield
Henry KILNER son abt. 1859 age 2 Yorkshire Huddersfield

Looks like last two children are from Thomas’ 2nd marriage.

1871 census – Lepton, Yorkshire

Tom H KILNER head abt. 1817 age 54 Overlooker Yorkshire Dalton
Harriott KILNER wife abt. 1834 age 37 Yorkshire Dalton
Matty KILNER daur abt. 1862 age 9 Yorkshire Bradley
Willie KILNER son abt. 1857 age 14 Yorkshire Dalton
Harry KILNER son abt. 1859 age 12 Yorkshire Dalton
Jannet KILNER daur abt. 1863 age 8 Yorkshire Lepton
Amy KILNER daur abt. 1865 age 6 Yorkshire Lepton
John Henry KILNER son abt. 1868 age 3 Yorkshire Lepton

1881 census – Lepton, Yorkshire

Thomas KILNER head abt. 1817 age 64 Engineer Woollen Yorkshire Kirkheaton
Harriet KILNER wife abt. 1835 age 46 Yorkshire Kirkheaton
Willie KILNER son abt. 1857 age 24 Engineer Yorkshire Kirkheaton
Harry KILNER son abt. 1859 age 22 Shimer?? Yorkshire Kirkheaton
Harriot KILNER daur abt. 1862 age 19 Mill-Hand Yorkshire Kirkheaton
Janet KILNER daur abt. 1863 age 18 Mill-Hand Yorkshire Kirkheaton
Amy KILNER daur abt. 1865 age 16 Mill-Hand Yorkshire Kirkheaton
John Henry KILNER son abt. 1868 age 13 Yorkshire Kirkheaton
Tom KILNER son abt. 1873 age 8 Yorkshire Kirkheaton
Ben KILNER son abt. 1876 age 5 Yorkshire Kirkheaton


1891 census – Lepton, Yorkshire

Harriet KILNER head widow abt. 1835 age 56 Far_er Yorkshire Huddersfield
Willie KILNER son abt. 1857 age 34 Woollen Carder Engineer Yorkshire Huddersfield
Marry KILNER daur abt. 1862 age 29 Woollen Feeder Yorkshire Huddersfield
Janet KILNER daur abt. 1863 age 28 Woollen Feeder Yorkshire Huddersfield
Amy KILNER daur abt. 1865 age 26 ?? Yorkshire Huddersfield
Mosby KILNER son abt. 1868 age 23 Far_ers Mace Yorkshire Huddersfield
Tom KILNER son abt. 1873 age 18 Woollen Spinner Yorkshire Huddersfield
Ben KILNER son abt. 1876 age 15 Woollen Piecer Yorkshire Huddersfield

(not sure if Mosby is John Henry)


The Leeds Mercury (Leeds, England), Saturday, October 5, 1844; Issue 5783
DIED
Same day, Alice Ann, daughter of Mr. Thomas Kilner, jun, Merchant, Huddersfield

Have not found a marriage for Thomas & Ann.
Found 2nd marriage

DEC QTR 1854 HUDDERSFIELD
Thomas Henry KILNER 9a 363
Harriet LIVESEY 9a 363

Cheers
crankypants