LAWLESS & BERMINGHAM families

[DaveHam9]

NSW Marriage 1422/1861 LAWLESS JAMES - BERMINGHAM HONORA - BINALONG

NSW Birth 9967/1872 LAWLESS AGNES - JAMES - HONORA - GOULBURN


Looking for a tree and for deaths and any other info on these two families.

Thanks,

Dave

 

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13572/1901 LAWLESS JAMES JAMES GOULBURN

Goulburn Herald (NSW : 1881 - 1907)
Friday 6 December 1901
MR. JAMES LAWLESS, ÆTAT 74, Died at his residence, Lawlesston, Rosemonte, near Goulburn, about 4.30 p.m. yesterday. Deceased had been in failing health for the past two years and during the last month he became worse. He was attended by Dr. Morton of Goulburn, and previously by Dr. Fairfax-Ross of Sydney. Death was due to general break-up of the system. Deceased was a native of Kilkenny, Ireland, and came to the state over fifty years ago. He was attached to the police service in this state for over thirty years, and was one of those who were sent to Young at the time of the Lambing Flat riot. Mr. Lawless served through the Indian mutiny and gained medals for distinguished service. About six years ago he retired on a pension. He has resided in the Goulburn district ever since he came to the state with the exception of a few months at Mudgee. He was highly respected, and made many friends. He leaves a wife and four sons and five daughters. Three of the sons are William, post and telegraph master at Wickham; Arthur, public school teacher at Delegate; and Edward, who lived at home. The daughters are Mrs. Murray of Cowra, Mrs. Swan of Sydney, Ada, public school teacher at Gurrunda, and Agnes and Annie Lawless, who live at home. The funeral will take place to-morrow at 10.30.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/art...wless"&searchLimits=exactPhrase=james+lawless


13805/1914 LAWLESS HANORAH MARTIN CATHERINE GOULBURN

Mrs. Hohorah Lawless.
The death took place on Thursday last, at her residence., 'Rosemont,' Goulimrn, of Mrs. Honorah Lawless, an old and respected resident of the district. The deceased lady was 80 years o.f age, and had been ill for some three, or four months. Mrs. Lawless loaves -i family of four sons and five daugh ters. They are Messrs. William (postmaster at wicimam), Martin (contractor, at Harden), Edward (Railway Department. Eveleigh), and Arthur (Mittagong). Mrs. Swann (Rosemont), Miss Ada ' Lawless (Cook's Hill, Newcastle), Mrs. Murray (South Coast), Mrs. George Jones (Goul burn), and Miss Annie Lawless (Rosemont). Her husband predeceased her by about 13 years. The interment took place in the Catholic cemetery at Kenmore. — R.I.P.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/art...m="lawless"&searchLimits=exactPhrase=+lawless

 

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Arrival

LAWLESS James 26 Sabrina 1855 Moreton Bay

http://srwww.records.nsw.gov.au/ebo...4792/Sabrina_27 Nov 1855/4_479200373.jpg&No=6

 

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NSW birth index

6200/1864 LAWLESS MARY A JAMES HONORA YOUNG
8328/1866 LAWLESS MARTIN V JAMES HONORA GOULBURN
10713/1874 LAWLESS MARGARET ANN JAMES HONORA GOULBURN
10714/1874 LAWLESS CATHERINE CHRISTINA JAMES HONORA GOULBURN
11559/1876 LAWLESS EDWARD JOSEPH JAMES HONORA GOULBURN
9230/1868 LAWLESS ADA W JAMES HONORA GOULBURN
9967/1872 LAWLESS AGNES JAMES HONORA GOULBURN
14613/1880 LAWLESS ARTHUR JAMES HONORA GOULBURN

Death index
6234/1875 LAWLESS CATHERINE JAMES HONORA GOULBURN

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks gibbo.

That's filled in a bit more of my tree. Of course another one from Ireland. :biggrin:

Daugher Agnes is the one who was in my tree by marriage in 1903.

 

[gibbo]

His obituary says "Mr. Lawless served through the Indian mutiny and gained medals for distinguished service."

Wonder if this is him

Given Names(s) James
Surname Lawless
Rank Private
Regiment or Ship 83rd Foot
http://search.fibis.org/frontis/bin...fn=james&f=&to=&t=&c=&searchtype=soundex&tn=1


Im confused
The Indian mutiny was 1857? He was in Australia in 1855

 

[DaveHam9]

His obituary says "Mr. Lawless served through the Indian mutiny and gained medals for distinguished service."

Wonder if this is him

Given Names(s) James
Surname Lawless
Rank Private
Regiment or Ship 83rd Foot
http://search.fibis.org/frontis/bin...fn=james&f=&to=&t=&c=&searchtype=soundex&tn=1


Im confused
The Indian mutiny was 1857? He was in Australia in 1855

That would confuse me too. :biggrin:

 

[DaveHam9]

Lawless James 83 F Private

Medal Roll - HERE


So what have we missed?


Age at death roughly fits age in shipping record. The arrival over 50 years ago bit does not fit. The pob in shipping record fits. So how could he be in India in 1857?

The 83rd Foot didn't serve in Australia so he didn't enlist in Australia and go with the regiment to India.


In the post-war colonial period the 83rd were stationed in India, and were engaged in the Sepoy rebellion of 1857.

1843 England
1845 Ireland
1848 India: Bombay
1857 Sepoy rebellion
1858 India
1862 England
1866 Ireland
1867 Gibraltar

 

[DaveHam9]

Background of LAWLESS family - HERE

The Lawless family, originally from Hoddesdon, Herts. came to Ireland in the fourteenth century or earlier, and was seated successively at Shanganagh, Co. Dublin, Talbot Inch, Co. Kilkenny and Shankill, Co. Dublin.

I don't want to go that far back. :2fun:

 

[DaveHam9]

Parents don't match so not this one:

John Bermingham married Elizabeth Odell..children know of are Honora Bermingham church baptism record: 11 Jan 1836 Shanagolden Co Limerick Roman Catholic
Informants:James Farrell and Cath.Farrell.

Catherine in 1852 on "Charlotte Jane" and Hanora in 1854 "Sir Edward Parry" left Ireland to come to South Australia.

I'm not finding anything on the right Honora - parents Martin & Catherine.

 

[DaveHam9]

I'm finding nothing which suggests Honora's family was from Ireland.

 

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Bermingham Honora 18 Farm Servant Limerick

http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/siredwardparry1854.shtml


Bermingham Catherine 19 Servant Limerick

http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/charlottejane1852.shtml

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks gibbo.

Something is not quite right. :biggrin:

The details of those two arrivals in post #10 from a tree indicated that those sisters married and had families in South Australia.

 

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The one in South Australia married a William Spells.

1855 22/434 SPELLS William BIRMINGHAM Honora Adelaide

 

[DaveHam9]

There are other female BERMINGHAM marriages in NSW but only one at Binalong and several male ones in NSW as well around the same time.

Also a larger number with the name as BIRMINGHAM.


Going to have to assume Martin & Catherine are correct for parents and try to find siblings.

No deaths in NSW for male BERMINGHAM/BIRMINGHAMs with those parents.

 

[marcusomega56]

Re: Quote:
John Bermingham married Elizabeth Odell..children know of are Honora Bermingham church baptism record: 11 Jan 1836 Shanagolden Co Limerick Roman Catholic
Informants: James Farrell and Cath. Farrell.

Catherine in 1852 on "Charlotte Jane" and Hanora in 1854 "Sir Edward Parry" left Ireland to come to South Australia.

I directly descend from John BERMINGHAM and Elizabeth ODELL via Hanora.

I have the family tree going back from the me to the ODELL surname and further back from Nesta Princess of Wales and Gerald de Windsor etc Naturally there are a lot of collateral families included. I live in Adelaide South Australia. If anyone wishes to communicate I can be contacted at -


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