Leonard CURTIS

[DaveHam9]

Hello,

Marriages Dec 1880
Curtis Charles Poplar 1c 1275
Horwood Susan Ursula Poplar 1c 1275

1881
RG11 Piece / Folio 1383 / 4 Page 2
Census Place Tottenham, Middlesex, England
Dwelling 12 Welbourne Rd
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Charles CURTIS Head M Male 22 Tott, Middlesex, England Sawyer
Susan CURTIS Wife M Female 22 Burton, Buckingham, England

1891
Civil parish: Tottenham
Registration District: Edmonton
Sub-RD: Tottenham
Address: 18 Welborn Street
Charles Curtis head age 31 Sawyer
Susan wife
Charles son
Albert son
Leonard son
Frederick son

1901
Civil parish: Tottenham
Registration District: Edmonton
Sub-RD: Tottenham
Address: 29 Harold Road
Charles Curtis head age 41 occ sawyer saw mills born Tottenham Middx
Susan wife age 41 born Biston Bucks
Charles J son age 19 occ civil service clerk born Tottenham
Albert son age 16 occ general clerk born Tottenham
Leonard son age 12 born Tottenham
Frederick son age 11 born Tottenham
Harry son age 9 born Tottenham
May dau age 3 born Tottenham
Bruce son age 2 born Tottenham
Annie Horwood s in law age 32 occ drapers asst born Poplar Middx

1911
CURTIS, Leonard Son Single M 23 1888 Warehouseman Middlesex Tottenham

Leonard arrived between 1911 and 1915 ???

CURTIS L Unknown M 1911 London Australia Brisbane ??


Parents in London, England - Has a married sister living in Qld.
Enlisted 14 Oct 1915 - S/N 3553 18th Bn - 27 yrs Shipping clerk - Letter from Winifred Beck living at 'Gallipoli' Ramsay Rd Haberfield, NSW dated 1 Oct 1916 - NOK father C. Curtis 8 Hartham-road, Tottenham-road London, England - Embarked Sydney HMAT A60 'Aeneas' 20 Dec 1915 - Served in France - Gassed and GSW to thigh - Embk 30 Jan 1918 Returned to Australia per A14 'Euripides' 22 Mar 1918 - Discharged 20 Apr 1918


Married sister is a Mrs Clare BRANDON living at Brunswick street, New Farm, Qld.

So far I can't find anything on Clare apart from her letter that is in Leonard's service record.

I can't find a birth reg for a Clare CURTIS or a marriage.

There is no Clare BRANDON in Qld. Electoral Rolls 1903 - 1954 ???

If a sister-in-law then I still can't find a Clare HARWOOD/HORWOOD.

I've also looked for a half-sister assuming Charles had been married previously.

I'm stuck.

Regards,

Dave

 

[juliejtp]

Hi Dave,

Mr Leonard Curtis
Age 24
Arrival date 16 Sept 1912
Arrival port Melbourne
Departure port Antwerp
Ship Scharnhost
Nationality English

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Julie.

One part solved.



BRANDON Cynthia Clare (Tinty) Funeral notice 06AUG2004 Funeral Toowoomba Chronicle 04AUG2004

That one only first appears in the Electoral Roll in 1968.

Possibly an unmarried daughter. I don't know. Births only to 1914 on-line.

Where are they between 1918 and 1968?


Extract from letter written by Mrs Clare BRANDON of Brunswick street, New Farm on 14 Sep 1918:

"... I am his married sister & he always lived with me..."

 

[gibbo]

Thanks Julie.

One part solved.



BRANDON Cynthia Clare (Tinty) Funeral notice 06AUG2004 Funeral Toowoomba Chronicle 04AUG2004

That one only first appears in the Electoral Roll in 1968.

Possibly an unmarried daughter. I don't know. Births only to 1914 on-line.

Where are they between 1918 and 1968?


Extract from letter written by Mrs Clare BRANDON of Brunswick street, New Farm on 14 Sep 1918:

"... I am his married sister & he always lived with me..."

Just a thought Dave but wonder if Leonard and Clare can be found together in earlier years on the electoral reg. since he supposedly had lived with her. She may have been single still then and under the name Curtis as well.

 

[juliejtp]

Hi Dave,

Did the funeral notice give her age. Just thought probaly not being his sister as she would have been well over a 100.

Where did Leonard live in Australia?

 

[juliejtp]

Hi Dave,

Cynthia Clare Brandon is listed on the find a grave site

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello Julie,

I'm thinking now the 2004 death has to be an unmarried daughter. Would have to be way over 100.


Discharged 20 Apr 1918 and married in 1919 in Ashfield, NSW - inner Sydney suburb.

I don't have any Electoral Roll entry before 1930.


1930 N.S.W Electoral Roll - South Sydney - Randwick East
CURTIS Leonard, 37 Byron street, clerk
CURTIS Winifred Mary, 37 Byron street, home duties

Looking at the family the only sister I can see is May. Either of these:

Births Jun 1897
Curtis May Edmonton 3a 408

Births Sep 1897
Curtis May Edmonton 3a 445

EDIT The letter is dated 14 Sep 1916 so that is before Leonard married. I misread the imprint from the rubber stamp.

The name is clearly written as Clare and the reply is typed and clearly BRANDON, but I can't find a Clare to BRANDON marriage anywhere.

What also puzzles me is the lack of Electoral Roll entries before 1968. The index shows lots of BRANDONS in Brisbane suburbs from 1903 onwards. 1919 is the closest to the letter date but no Clare or Cynthia.

If New Farm was in Brisbane Division in 1919 then there is a Frank BRANDON.

 

[DaveHam9]

Hi Dave,

Cynthia Clare Brandon is listed on the find a grave site

Thanks Julie.

There may or may not be a connection. The spouse of a son born around 1918 or middle name is just coincidence.

Leonard listed his father in London as NOK. He gives his address as Ramsay street, Haberfield, NSW. His future wife was already living with him in 1916:

Letter from Winifred Beck living at 'Gallipoli' Ramsay Rd Haberfield, NSW dated 1 Oct 1916.

 

[DaveHam9]

EDIT The letter is dated 14 Sep 1916 so that is before Leonard married. I misread the imprint from the rubber stamp.

 

[DaveHam9]

The letter:

 

[juliejtp]

Hi Dave,

Electorial register - 1949 -Maranoa - Cunnamulla

William Mitchell Mclaren - Bowra - Cunnamulla - Jackeroo
Edited

 

[juliejtp]

Hi Dave,

I wonder if she is the married sister of Leonards Mother? The other Cynthia Clare Brandon, to many names.
Nee tinton her sons surname is Mclaren.

 

[DaveHam9]

Julie, Julie, Julie :2fun:

Clare dots her 'i's and there is no dot so it reads "I am her married sister..."

But I did look for a Clare HARWOOD/HORWOOD.


Leonards parents.

Marriages Dec 1880
Curtis Charles Poplar 1c 1275
Horwood Susan Ursula Poplar 1c 1275

Susan's father is Joseph Newell HORWOOD.

 

[juliejtp]

Still no help :2fun::2fun::2fun:

 

[DaveHam9]

Julie, I don't know if Cynthia Clare is connected or not.

But ruling out an earlier marriage for Charles and a half-sister older than Leonard then I think Clare has to be a sister of Leonard's mother Susan.

But, still stuck.

I thought I was chasing Leonard's sister but now it's a bit less important re my tree.

Would still like to solve it.

 

[DaveHam9]

I can't be sure of any siblings of Susan. Not even sure of her mother. Can't find a marriage for Joseph using middle name Newell.

Can't find a marriage for Clare or even Claire.

 

[juliejtp]

Hi Dave,

I came across a Clair Horwood born East Ham, different parents to Leonards, though they have the same first names.

1881

Class RG11
Piece 1724
Folio 40
Page 2

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Julie.

As I've mentioned, I'm puzzled by the lack of any entry on the Electoral Rolls in Qld. for Clare/Clair/Claire around 1919.

 

[DaveHam9]

We have one sister but no age on this transcription from my tree.

1891
Civil parish: Tottenham
Registration District: Edmonton
Sub-RD: Tottenham
Address: 18 Welborn Street
Charles Curtis head age 31 Sawyer
Susan wife
Charles son
Albert son
Leonard son
Frederick son
Annie Harwood sister

 

[juliejtp]

Dave,

Sister Amy as well. Will try and post census details later, as bit busy today.