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Looking for Albert & Mary BURR

JeffAlvey

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Hi All,
I am looking for the births of my Grandfather: Albert James BURR
and Grandmother: Mary DAWSON
I have what I believe to be their marriage:
Jun ¼ 1891 Albert Joseph BURR = Mary Dawson @ SALFORD Volume 8d Page 65
Family Folklaw:
Mary was an orphan.
They had 17 children, 2 of whom died (some say 19, two of whom died)
From FreeBMD I found the following:
Jun ¼ 1892 Lily @SALFORD [in 1911 Cen. 1893]
Jun ¼ 1893 George @ SALFORD [in 1911 Cen. 1894]
Jun ¼ 1895 Richard @ SALFORD [in 1911 Cen. 1896]
Jun ¼ 1897 Thomas @ SALFORD (DIED?) [Not in Cen.]
Mar ¼ 1899 Nellie @ SALFORD [in 1911 Cen. 1899]
Jun ¼ 1900 Phoebe @ SALFORD [in 1911 Cen. 1901]
Jun ¼ 1902 Albert @ SALFORD [in 1911 Cen. 1902]
Mar ¼ 1904 Thomas @ STAINES [in 1911 Cen. 1904]
Jun ¼ 1905 Horace @ STAINES [in 1911 Cen. 1906]
Mar ¼ 1907 Walter @ STAINES [in 1911 Cen. 1907]
Jun ¼ 1910 Dorothy @ STAINES (Died?) [Not in Cen.]
Dec ¼ 1912 Sylvia May @ MILE END [Not in Cen. - too young]

As you can see, there are only 12 children here - but two did die young.
I may have missed some, perhaps during the move from SALFORD to STAINES, but I do know Sylvia was the youngest.

I have found a possible birth for Albert James:
Dec 1/4 1870 Albert Joseph BURR @ AMPTHILL (BEDFORDSHIRE)
but the location bothers me.
For Mary I have found:
Sep 1/4 Mary DAWSON @ SALFORD
She would be older than Albert, but that does not worry me.

Mary left her husband (fed up with being pregnant - so I'm told) and looked after me during the war (WWII) while Dad was in the RAF and Mum was doing war work.

Any help will be gratefully appreciated.
Jeff
 
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Hi Jeff, I had a look on the 1911 census and it states that Albert and Mary were married at that time for 19 years. It lists that she had delivered 11 children and that 2 had died. George to Albert being born in Pendleton; Thomas, Horace and Walter in Sunbury, Middx. Address at the time Park Cottage, Greenstreet, Sunbury, Thames. Hope it helps :)

Marys age listed as 44; Alberts as 40
 
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Hi Jeff,

This looks like the Albert you found in the birth registration index.

1881

Civil parish Shillington
RD Ampthill
Sub RD Shillington

George Burr head widow age age 38 occ labourer
John Edward son age 16 occ labourer
Albert Joseph son age 10

All born Shillington, Beds

Class RG11
Piece 1633
Folio 54
Page 17

1871

Civil parish Shllington
RD Ampthill
Sub RD Shillington

George Burr head age 28 occ ag. lab
Phoebe wife age 27
John E son age 6
Edgar G son age 4
Jane E dau age 2
Albert J son age 6 mths

Phoebe born Pulloxhill Beds, the rest Shillington

Class RG10
Piece 1553
Folio 56
Page 20
 
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Hi Jeff,

1901

Civil parish Pendleton
RD Salford
Sub RD Pendleton

Alfred J burr head age 30 occ labourer born Shillington
Mary wife age 35 born Pendleton
George son age 8 born Pendleton
Richard son age 6 born Pendleton
Nellie dau age 3 born Pendleton
Phoebe dau age 1 born Pendleton

Class RG13
Piece 3714
Folio 101
Page 27

The birth registration for Albert looks like the right one.
 
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You might try a "play around" on the LOPC site

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html

Here are a few of the baptisms:-

Baptisms: 15 May 1895 St Anne, Pendleton, Lancashire, England
Richard Burr - Child of Albert Joseph Burr & Mary
Born: 28 Apr 1895
Abode: 37 Gordon St.
Occupation: Labourer
Baptised by: Thos. Mullineaux
Register: Baptisms 1892 - 1901, Page 35, Entry 278
Source: LDS Film 2357990

Baptisms: 23 May 1897 St Anne, Pendleton, Lancashire, England
Thomas Burr - Child of Albert Burr & Mary
Born: 6 Apr 1897
Abode: 37 Gordon St.
Occupation: Stoker
Baptised by: Thos. Mullineaux
Register: Baptisms 1892 - 1901, Page 60, Entry 480
Source: LDS Film 2357990

Baptisms: 11 Jan 1899 St Anne, Pendleton, Lancashire, England
Nellie Burr - Child of Albert Joseph Burr & Mary
Born: 20 Dec 1898
Abode: 37 Gordon St.
Occupation: Labourer
Baptised by: G.D. Shenton
Register: Baptisms 1892 - 1901, Page 78, Entry 623
Source: LDS Film 2357990

Baptisms: 28 May 1902 St Anne, Pendleton, Lancashire, England
Albert Burr - Child of Albert Joseph Burr & Mary
Born: 30 Mar 1902
Abode: 37 Gordon St
Occupation: Labourer
Baptised by: H. Massiah
Register: Baptisms 1901 - 1928, Page 15, Entry 114
Source: LDS Film 2357990

Good luck with it :)
 

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Hi Jeff,

1891

Civil parish Pendleton
RD Salford
Sub RD Pendleton

Sarah Collier head single age 57 occ laundress born Worsley
Mary Dawson adopted dau age 24 occ cotton reeler born Pendleton
Isaac Davies son in law age 29 occ lab in ironworks born Darleston Staffs
Susan Davies age 32 born Pendleton
Mary g/dau age 4 born Pendleton
Frances g/dau age 2 born Pendleton

Class RG12
Piece 3206
Folio 142
Page 8

In 1881 Mary is a boarder with Sarah Collier

Class RG11
Piece 3946
Folio 93
Page 23
 
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The address of 1901 census is a match for the baptism list.

I didn't find any corresponding burials but from those baptisms perhaps it points to Phoebe being one of the deaths ?
 
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I didn't find any corresponding burials but from those baptisms perhaps it points to Phoebe being one of the deaths ?
I don't think so I'm afraid.
I used to spend Saturday's with her as I was growing up and I am still in touch with one of her daughters.
My Mum told me that Phoebe used to sing "Goodby Dolly I must leave you" (an old WWI song) which made her cry. It was a reference to Dorothy - their sister.

Dorothy and Thomas were the one's who died.
Thanks anyway,
Jeff
 

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You might try a "play around" on the LOPC site

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html

Here are a few of the baptisms:-

Baptisms: 15 May 1895 St Anne, Pendleton, Lancashire, England
Richard Burr - Child of Albert Joseph Burr & Mary
Born: 28 Apr 1895
Abode: 37 Gordon St.
Occupation: Labourer
Baptised by: Thos. Mullineaux
Register: Baptisms 1892 - 1901, Page 35, Entry 278
Source: LDS Film 2357990

Baptisms: 23 May 1897 St Anne, Pendleton, Lancashire, England
Thomas Burr - Child of Albert Burr & Mary
Born: 6 Apr 1897
Abode: 37 Gordon St.
Occupation: Stoker
Baptised by: Thos. Mullineaux
Register: Baptisms 1892 - 1901, Page 60, Entry 480
Source: LDS Film 2357990

Baptisms: 11 Jan 1899 St Anne, Pendleton, Lancashire, England
Nellie Burr - Child of Albert Joseph Burr & Mary
Born: 20 Dec 1898
Abode: 37 Gordon St.
Occupation: Labourer
Baptised by: G.D. Shenton
Register: Baptisms 1892 - 1901, Page 78, Entry 623
Source: LDS Film 2357990

Baptisms: 28 May 1902 St Anne, Pendleton, Lancashire, England
Albert Burr - Child of Albert Joseph Burr & Mary
Born: 30 Mar 1902
Abode: 37 Gordon St
Occupation: Labourer
Baptised by: H. Massiah
Register: Baptisms 1901 - 1928, Page 15, Entry 114
Source: LDS Film 2357990

Good luck with it :)
Terrific!! :D
Thanks,
Jeff
 

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Hi Jeff,

1871 has Mary Dawson with siblings Susan, Rachael and John with Sarah Collier.

Class RG10
Piece 4009
Folio 143
Page 2
So Mary had a brother and sisters - she never told me that. :eek:
I had to look after Mary (Nan) as she got older, and was quite ill, when she lived with us.
I used to play in her room and we would listen to the wireless together.
 

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A BIG thank you to all of you for the splendid replies.

I shall take the data sent and see how far I can progress with it.
(It can be a REAL pain searching from the USA as it (obviously) gives priority to US data.

But Thanks Again :biggrin:
Jeff
 

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Hi Jeff,

Susan Dawson age 3 is with Sarah Collier in 1861.

Class RG9
Piece 2904
Folio 3
Page 2

There is a baptism for a Susan Dawson 1857 parents John and Rachael. I will have a look to see if they can be found on the census.
 

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Hi Jeff,

A marriage for Isaac Davies one of the brides listed is a Susan Dawson.

Year 1886 - Jul/Aug/Sept 1/4
District Barton Upon Irwell

No luck with the parents. 1861 Susan Dawson is with Sarah Collier by 1871 another 3 Dawson children turn up :confused:
 
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Here's the marriage Julie found:

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1886
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
DAWSON Susan DAVIES Isaac Eccles Parish St Mary's Salford C1/27/20

This is from Lancs BMD http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/cgi/marrind.cgi
(free site)
There are often maiden names given in birth listings as well as churches named in the districts.
 

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Hi Jeff,

A marriage for Isaac Davies one of the brides listed is a Susan Dawson.

Year 1886 - Jul/Aug/Sept 1/4
District Barton Upon Irwell

No luck with the parents. 1861 Susan Dawson is with Sarah Collier by 1871 another 3 Dawson children turn up :confused:
Everso Ta! (you must be getting bored with "thanks" :) )
I shall look into George father of Albert Joseph for the moment.

Right now though I must break off - kitchen duties (have to cook dinner :eek:)

Jeff
EDIT: Oops! forgot to mention that I think George married:
Dec 1/4 1863 George BURR = Phoebe FOSSEY @ AMPTHILL
 
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