Looking for Catherine Sinclair

[Taykay]

I keep coming up blank concerning Catherine Sinclair, even a cousin can not find anything more on her. This is what I have so far. Born about 1791 at Caradale, Saddell Argyle and died about 1857 Saltcoats. She married Archibald Taylor b. 1795 (his parents were Duncan Taylour and Annabel Campbell) on the 26 Feb 1825 Saltcoats. All this info has a question mark?. For I did come across another Catherine Sinclair born in 1801 also married to an Archibald Taylor.
The first Catherine had six children, Archibald b. 1827, Elizabeth b. 1829, Annabella b. 1831, Peter b.1833, Duncan b.1835, Margaret b. 1838.
I did notice that non of the daughter's were name after mother?

 

[stockpot]

Had a quick look at this, didn't get anywhere but I am a bit confused :-

you say the first Catherine had 6 children, Archibald.......etc.to.......Margaret but you say that Catherine was born 1791 at Caradale. In the 1841 census all the children you list are with parents Archibald and Catherine at Quay St Stevenston but Catherine's age is given as 40, i.e. born 1796 - 1801 (1841 census rounds age down) so doesn't seem to fit with what you have.

Also there was no death for Catherine Taylor/Sinclair registered in Ardrossan (i.e district that Saltcoats is in) for 1855 - 61. There is a death there in 1857for an Archibald Taylor born ~1794, I assume that is him and is where you got his parent's details from ?

 

[Taykay]

Let me start again

Captain Archibald Taylor b. 1795 Skipness d. 1857 Saltcoats M. 26 Feb 1825
Catherine Sinclair no date born in Caradale. Saddell
children
Archibald Taylor b.1827 Saltcoats d. 1869 at sea, Wife. Mary Fullerton b.1832
Elizabeth Taylor b. 1829 Saltcoats
Annabella Tayor b. 1831 Saltcoats d. 1900 Glasgow, Husband Alexander McNeil
Peter Taylor b.1833 Saltcoats d. 1883 at sea, Wife Susan Marr b.1837
Duncan Taylor b. 1835 Saltcoats d. 1889 at sea, Wife Marion Campbell b.1844 d. 1889 at sea
Margaret Taylor b. 1838 Saltcoats. d. ? Husband Thomas Craig M. 10 June 1862

That's how it fits, but no dates for Catherine about 1791??? and cannot find the names of her parents. Do not even know if the place I have for her birth is right. I had found two other Catherine's that I though fitted but after studding info I found changed my mind. The one was born in 1801?

Just looked at the record I have for Archibald, it is the Statutory Deaths 576/ 000086 record of his death. And there is no birth date. I got his birth date from Scotland Birth and Baptisms 1564-1950, but it was his christening and not when he was born. So he could of been born in 1794.

 

[davelambert271]

I notice on Archibald's death cert in Aug 57 age 63, he was a widower. does this mean Catherine was already dead? I can't see what Archie died of, was it something which could have affected Catherine as well? Can you read what is crossed out underneath Archibald?

dave

 

[Taykay]

Hi dave, It looks like Catherine was dead before Archibald, I had someone decipher the certificate. They wrote Duncan and then scratched it out and put Archibald.
Formally Shipmaster, Widower died 8 Aug 1857 at 6:50am Hamilton Street Saltcoats
Parents Duncan Taylor, shoemaker deceased and Anna Taylor maiden name Campbell deceased.
Died off Muscular Debility 4 month
Surgeon Robert F Kinnaird? on the 6 Aug
Margaret Sinclair , sister in-law present
Buried Ardrossan Church yard Saltcoats
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Have been looking for Catherine Sinclair and found these

Catherine Sinclair
Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950 birth: 22 April 1800
christening: 27 April 1800 MIDDLE CHURCH, PAISLEY, RENFREW, SCOTLAND
residence: 1800 Paisley, Renfrewshire, Scotland
father: Archibald Sinclair
mother: Catherine Macgilchrist
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Catherine Sinclair
Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950 birth: 24 September 1802
christening: 26 September 1802 , PENICUIK, MIDLOTHIAN, SCOTLAND
residence: 1802 Penicuik, Midlothian, Scotland
father: James Sinclair
mother: Martha Heartly
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Catherine Sinclair
Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950 christening: 6 April 1802 LOCHGOILHEAD AND KILMORICH,ARGYLL,SCOTLAND
father: Archibald Sinclair
mother: Elizabeth Mcintyre
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Catherine born about 1791, Caradale Saddell, Argyle
Married to Archibald on the 26 Feb 1825
Father John Sinclair
Census 1851
Residence Kilarrow Argyll age 60 servant
Census 1871
Residence Killean and Kilchenzie Argyll relationship to head Mother age 80.
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Catherine Sinclair Birth 1801 Kilkerrie Argyle or is Kilberry
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So now is any of these the one I am looking for?

 

[davelambert271]

can you find a Margaret born about 1816 with same parents as one of your finds for Catherine?

dave

 

[davelambert271]

Hi dave, Have been looking for Catherine Sinclair and found these

Catherine Sinclair
Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950 christening: 6 April 1802 LOCHGOILHEAD AND KILMORICH,ARGYLL,SCOTLAND
father: Archibald Sinclair
mother: Elizabeth Mcintyre

Could this be Margaret sister of Catherine

Margaret Sinclar
Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950

birth: 4 April 1815
christening: 6 April 1815 INVERARAY AND GLENARAY,ARGYLL,SCOTLAND

father: Archibald Sinclar
mother: Elisabeth Mcintyre

Indexing Project (Batch) Number C11513-6
System Origin Scotland-ODM
GS Film number 1041009

dave

 

[davelambert271]

These are the only children on FS born to an Archibald and Elizabeth Mcintyre

Jean 1788 Killin Perth
John 1790 Killin
Hugh 1794 Killin
Elizabeth 1797 Killin
Hugh 1800 Killin
Catherine 1802 Lochgolihead Argyll
Duncan 1804 Lochgolihead
Mary 1807 Lochgolihead
Christian 1809 Lochgolihead
James 1811 Invereray Argyll
Margaret 1815 Invereray

The dates would seem to indicate one family

 

[Taykay]

Thanks dave will go and look

 

[stockpot]

Just to let you know of a dead end so that no-one else wastes time following it up :-
I was interested in Margaret Sinclair, given as sister-in-law on Archibald Taylor's death cert 1857. Obviously sister of Catherine so would have same parents. These would be given on a Scottish death cert so I though finding her death would solve the problem.
I followed her through the censuses, in 1861 she gives place of birth as Saddle (sic) and 1871 as Canadale, both Argyllshire. From 1871 she was with the family of Susan Taylor, wife of her nephew Peter Taylor who was away at sea. Unfortunately Susan moved to England in the 1870's and took Margaret Sinclair with her.
In 1881 they were in Limehouse, London. Peter died in the 1880's and in 1891 Susan Taylor was in West Ham with some of her children and Margaret Sinclair. Margaret died there Q1 1900 age given as 91. English death cert will not give her parents, she didn't leave a will and I can't find a death announcement so that all led no-where !!

 

[Taykay]

I saw Margaret Sinclair on the census with Susan Taylor nee Marr but could not connect her to Catherine Sinclair, by means of documentation. Just speculation.

It is as if their past just vanished

So I will have to except that for now the two of them are a dead end.

Thanks dave and stockpot, lets leave them for now.

Just another thought came to mind, could both of them been orphans?

 

[davelambert271]

just before we put them to bed have you discounted the Catherine and Margaret in posts 7 & 8. I thought they were about the right age and the births of the 11 children, although in three different places, tied in pretty well and in sequence, for the parents to be the same
I don't think this family is the same one posted by Stockpot.

dave

 

[Taykay]

No, so far that's the only option and will look into it farther.
I think what has confused me is that second cousin did not agree with me cording to the place and date I did have for Catherine. And she gave me Caradale, Saddell as the birth place but that was all.
And she to has been struggling to find any other info.

 

[Taykay]

Just to let you know of a dead end so that no-one else wastes time following it up :-
I was interested in Margaret Sinclair, given as sister-in-law on Archibald Taylor's death cert 1857. Obviously sister of Catherine so would have same parents. These would be given on a Scottish death cert so I though finding her death would solve the problem.
I followed her through the censuses, in 1861 she gives place of birth as Saddle (sic) and 1871 as Canadale, both Argyllshire. From 1871 she was with the family of Susan Taylor, wife of her nephew Peter Taylor who was away at sea. Unfortunately Susan moved to England in the 1870's and took Margaret Sinclair with her.
In 1881 they were in Limehouse, London. Peter died in the 1880's and in 1891 Susan Taylor was in West Ham with some of her children and Margaret Sinclair. Margaret died there Q1 1900 age given as 91. English death cert will not give her parents, she didn't leave a will and I can't find a death announcement so that all led no-where !!

Looked through the census I have, In 1841 she was staying with Catherine and her age was indicate as 25 which makes the birth year abt 1816
Rather a big age difference?

In 1871 Margaret was staying with Susan Taylor nee Marr age 62 which makes the birth year abt 1809
Is it the same woman as in 1841?

In 1881 she still with Susan now she is 73 which makes birth year 1808

In 1891 I cannot find her?

In 1901 cannot find her either.

What happened to census 1851? I have not been able to find it.

Would like to know about all three Archibald, Catherine and Margaret if they appear on the 1851 Census.

 

[stockpot]

In 1891 Margaret Sinclair was at 37 Disraeli Rd West Ham with her great niece Susan Storm, daughter of her neice Susan Taylor who lives next door at 39. (Pce 1333, F97, P16) age given as 78. Looks like her death in West Ham in 1900 age given as 91.
In all the censuses etc she has her age put down by various relatives who possibly just guess. Only in the 1861 census is she the head of the house and she gives her age as 50, a nice round number which may not be accurate either !
I can't find Archibald & Catherine Taylor and Margaret Sinclair anywhere in 1851 and think they were possibly out of the country. Peter Taylor and wife Susan had children in Australia 1857 and 1858 and it is possible Peter's parents were there earlier.

 

[Taykay]

Thanks stockpot, I think I will leave the Sinclair's alone now. They seem to be a confusing bunch of people. And concentrate on others.