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Looking for information on my Grandfather John Beardsmore

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Hi, I am looking for any information on my Grandfather John Beardsmore. He married my Grandmother May Withers in 1920 in the Birmingham area and they had 5 children, Margaret, Geoff, Arthur, John and Mary. My grandmother May died in 1930 and he re-married a woman called Ruby Andrews and they had five children, Peter, Alan, Gwen, Gay and Joy (twins). He died around 1963. I believe he had two sisters. He worked as a piano tuner and was blind in one eye.

I would like to know when and where he was born, his parents, brothers, sisters etc. and any other relevant information.

I had loads of feedback yesterday to my first post 'looking for my Grandmother May Withers' and have been able to start filling in my family tree with all the information I received, so am hoping I can do the same for my Grandad.

Thank you

Su
 

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Hi Su.

Do you have his fathers name, as there are a few possibilities.

What is his fathers name on the marriage cert, and does it give his age.

Do you have his death cert, which may give his date of birth, or at least his correct age.


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Hi Steve,

No sorry I don't have any details apart from the bit of info I've posted. My Mum is 84 and she doesn't know anything as her Mum died when she was three and her Dad re-married.
 

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I think you may need to purchase a marriage cert, for starters. That should give his age and fathers name and occupation.

Hopefully we can start from there.

As the ages for those I've found are so close, we need some more details. That's if, they are the right ones.

If you apply here: https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp

Using these details, it all should be revealed when you receive it. Register first, and you'll need a credit.debit card. £9.25, including postage.

John Beardsmore
Oct-Nov-Dec - 1920
Registration district: Kings Norton
Worcestershire
Volume - 6d
Page -289



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Hello Su,

On Anc* there is a family tree showing John Beardsmore who married May Withers.

John’s father is listed as “Beardsmore” (no first name) and no spouse. Mr Beardsmore’s children are listed as Clara, Clarise, Marion and John. The tree owner says he died in 1939, so I had a look on FreeBMD and found a Samuel Beardsmore dying at the age of 77, in Rowley Regis, Staffordshire in the June quarter of 1939. However, the Samuel Beardsmore, who is the right age that I found in 1901, does not have children called Clara, Marion, Clarise and John!

There is a birth of Clara Beardsmore registered in King’s Norton in 1895, but as yet, I haven’t found her in 1901! :eek:

The tree shows Marion Beardsley marrying John Bailey, and of course your Gran and Grandad!

Hope this gets you a little further on!

:) Josie
 
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Hi Josie
If you have 1911, have a look at this record
RG14PN17939 RG78PN1093 RD383 SD3 ED29 SN262

there are a few names which tie in with what you found,

Henry Horatio married Clara Wright Sep qtr 1887 Birmingham. I wonder if one of the two children missing is called Clara after her mother.

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Hi So they did have a daug Clara
1891
BEARDMORE, Henry H Head Married M 23 1868 Jewellers Stamper Birmingham
Warwickshire
BEARDMORE, Clara Wife Married F 23 1868 London
BEARDMORE, Marrian Daughter F 3 1888 Birmingham Warwickshire
BEARDMORE, Clara Daughter F 0 (2M) 1891 Birmingham Warwickshire

RG number:RG12 Piece:2400 Folio:18 Page:32

Registration District: Birmingham
Sub District: All Saints

Civil Parish: Birmingham
Municipal Borough: Birmingham
Address: 15, Abbey Street, Birmingham Warwickshire

EDIT Su, As Steve suggests, there could be several possible John's, so some other info is required to support this theory. Does your gran know the names of John's sisters?

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Great finds Dave! :) I suppose if young Clara was alive in 1891, then she could be married or working away by 1911!

Using the (free) census ref search on FMP, I've got the names of the Beardsmores but not the ages! Could you please tell me Clarice's age and I'll see if I can find her? Thanks!

:) Josie
 
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Oh wow! You lot are so clever! I spoke to my Mum last night and she told me that her father John Beardsmore had three sisters, Clara, Clarice and Marion. Marion had two children out of wedlock called Monica and Tony. That's all she can remember. Don't know why she's never told me before, it must be her age, she is 84!
 
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Hi Dave,

You're brilliant. Yes I got your private message and have sent a reply but I don't know if it went through! I'm still learning how to navigate this site!

Thanks again

Su
 
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Hi Su

These are the census ref nos for Albert, he married Margaret Nelson J/S1865 West Bromwich
1881 - RG11-3039-87-18
1871 - RG10-3127-6-6
1861 -
1851 - HO107-2058-367-41
1841 - HO107-1141-9-25

Albert's parents were William 1791 and Ann 1806. I think Ann had been married before, her married name being Herd, and possibly marrying William 1831/1838

If you cannot get the census images up from the refs, let me know. If you haven't got access to Ancestry, and would like to contact the owner of the tree, send me your email address by PM and I'll send it them so they can contact you.

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Hi Dave,

Sorry but you've lost me! Who is Albert? he hasn't been mentioned before! I'm totally lost now. I can't access the census as I am not subscribed so have to rely on the limited free info I can access.

Su
 
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Hi Su
Albert is Henry Horatio's father. All will be explained by the census returns

1881

BEARDSMORE, Albert Head Married M 39 1842 Brass Turner Birmingham
BEARDSMORE, Margaret Wife Married F 39 1842 Dublin
BEARDSMORE, William H Son Single M 15 1866 Engraver (Artz) Birmingham
BEARDSMORE, Henry H Son Single M 13 1868 Scholar Birmingham
BEARDSMORE, Alfred Son Single M 12 1869 Scholar Birmingham
BEARDSMORE, Mary A Daughter Single F 6 1875 Scholar Birmingham
BEARDSMORE, Edwin Son Single M 0 1881 Aston

RG number; RG11 Piece:3039 Folio:87 Page:18

Registration District:Aston
Sub District: Erdington

Civil Parish: Aston
Address: 2, Uriah Pl, Alma St, Aston Warwickshire

1871

Piece: 3127 Folio: 6 Page Number: 6

Albert Beardsmore 29 Birmingham Brass worker
Margaret Beardsmore 30 Dublin
William Beardsmore 5 Birmingham
Henry Beardsmore 3 Birmingham
Alfred Beardsmore 2 Birmingham
Annie Beardsmore 1 Month Birmingham

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1861 - not found

1851

BEARDSMORE, Ann Head Widow F 45 1806 Green Grocer Birmingham
WARD, George Son Unmarried M 20 1831 Gunstocker Birmingham
BEARDSMORE, Edward Son Unmarried M 14 1837 Brassfounder Birmingham
BEARDSMORE, Emma Daughter Unmarried F 14 1837 Button Maker Birmingham
BEARDSMORE, Rhoda Daughter F 11 1840 Button Maker Birmingham
BEARDSMORE, Albert Son M 9 1842 Button Maker Birmingham
BEARDSMORE, Arthur Son M 5 1846 Scholar Birmingham
MESSENGER, William Lodger M 19 1832 Pearl Button Maker Birmingham

RG number:HO107 Piece:2058 Folio:367 Page:41

Registration District: Birmingham
Sub District: Saint George
Enumeration District: 14

Civil Parish: Saint George
Municipal Borough: Birmingham
Address: 76, Upper Brearley Street, Saint George, Birmingham Warwickshire


1841

Civil parish: St George
Hundred: Birmingham Warwickshire England

Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: St George

Piece: 1141 Book: 9 Folio: 25 Page Number: 6

William Beardsmore 50 Brass Founder
Ann Beardsmore 35 Button maker
Betsy Beardsmore 20 Button maker
Joseph Beardsmore 15 Brass Founder
Sarah Beardsmore 15 Button maker
John Beardsmore 14 Brass Founder
Thomas Beardsmore 15 Brass Founder
James Beardsmore 11 Brass Founder
George Beardsmore 10
Edwin Beardsmore 3
Emma Beardsmore 3
Rhoda Beardsmore 2

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1861 - no wonder I couldn't find it. but on record you can read Beardsmore

BEARDMAN, Ann Head Widow F 57 1804 Mangler Birmingham
BEARDMAN, Richard Son Unmarried M 23 1838 Brass Founder Birmingham
BEARDMAN, Emma Daughter F 23 1838 ...Butter Maker Birmingham
BEARDMAN, Albert Son M 20 1841 Brass Founder Birmingham
BEARDMAN, Arthur Son M 15 1846 Brass Founder Birmingham
KNIGHT, James Lodger M 20 1841 Waggoner Gloucester

RG number:RG09 Piece:2162 Folio:108 Page:15

Registration District: Birmingham
Sub District: 8 St George
Enumeration District: 40
Ecclesiastical Parish: St Matthews

Civil Parish: Birmingham
Municipal Borough: Birmingham
Address: 76, Brearley Street, Birmingham Warwickshire

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Hello Su,
I think I can answer most of your questions as I am your uncle, and John Beardsmore was my dad. Tell me what you want to know. PS, I haven't seen your mom for years since we called on her once,
Regards,
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Hi Peter,looks like good news for Susie.........there is a chance she may not look at your post for a day or two so be patient.

All the best and welcome to the forum....Lee.
 
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