Looking for the family of Charles Smith

[James]

Hello i am looking for the family of my grandad Charles Smith born in Hackney London 25/05/1895 . Died `31/01/1927. Thats all i have if you could help please Thanks James

 

[davelambert271]

1901
SMITH, Edward T Head Married M 33 1868 Bricklayer Labourer Bethnel Green
SMITH, Ada S Wife Married F 30 1871 St Georges London
SMITH, Rose E Daughter Single F 9 1892 Shoreditch London
SMITH, Edward C Son Single M 8 1893 Bethnel G London
SMITH, Charles W Son Single M 6 1895 Hackney London
SMITH, Ada Daughter Single F 2 1899 Bethnel G London
SMITH, Eliza C Daughter Single F 1 1900 Bethnel G London
MORTON, Harry C Visitor Single M 35 1866 Painter House St Georges

Piece:343 Folio:54 Page:25

Registration District: Poplar
Civil Parish: Bow or Stratford-Le-Bow
Address: 14, Allanmouth Road, Bow Or Stratford-Le-Bow London

dave

 

[p.risboy]

Would you know his occupation at all. Any other clues would help to narrow down the search.
As you know, SMITH is not the easiest name to research.

I have two possible hits in the last online available census.

1). His father Charles John Smith is a Licensed Vitualler in Shoreditch. Charles Smith is down as born London.

2). His father, Arthur A.Smith is a Railway Clerk, and this Charles Smith is down as being born Hackney.


Steve.

 

[davelambert271]

my 2nd choice - 1901
SMITH, Charles Head Married M 27 1874 Cab Driver Stepney London
SMITH, Mary Wife Married F 25 1876 Bow London
SMITH, John Son Single M 7 1894 Hackney London
SMITH, Charles Son Single M 5 1896 Hackney London
SMITH, Alfred Son Single M 2 1899 HackneyLondon

Piece:284 Folio:44 Page:80
Registration District: Bethnal Green

Civil Parish: Bethnal Green
Address: 5, The Oval, Bethnal Green London

that makes four possibilities, so further clues are needed.

dave

 

[James]

Hello Charles Smith was in the royal navyan officers steward and was drowned at waterloo pier station on 3 /01/ 1927 I dont know about his family i would love to get some infrmation ,Thanks

 

[p.risboy]

Do you have his birth cert or marriage cert. That should have fathers name on it.

Steve.

 

[davelambert271]

It appears Waterloo pier in the 1900's was the police pier on the north of the river, not the now named London eye pier. http://www.thamespolicemuseum.org.uk/gallery.html

I cannot find a birth for 25/5/1895 in Hackney. I presume you have a record confirming this date.

dave

 

[James]

hello i dont have a birth cert i seen a wedding cert he was married to Catherine Toland in Killybegs Donegal Ireland on 15 april 1918. He was one of the crew of the Royal Navy ship Platypuss the had 3 boys and 1 girl. His fathers name was Charles Smith thats all i have at the moment Thanks

 

[gortonboy]

hi,,do you have Charles navy service record?


http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/...p?Edoc_Id=7245265&queryType=1&resultcount=702

 

[gortonboy]

how do you know his exact date of birth if you dont have his birth cert ? edit,,,,,,,,aaahhhh,,you have it from his navy record.......

 

[James]

Hello thank's to all for the help i am new to this and the help is making it a joy to try and get all the help. Charles Smith's naval record shows that he was born 25/05/1895 Hackney London and died on 03/01/1927. What can i do next.

 

[DaveHam9]

If the birth was registered in June quarter then we have these for Middlesex:

Births Jun 1895
Smith Charles Albert Kingston 2a 389
Smith Charles Arthur Paddington 1a 49
Smith Charles Henry Pancras 1b 169
Smith Charles Henry Edmonton 3a 460
Smith Charles Philip St. Geo. East 1c 382
Smith Charles Romulus Hendon 3a 172
Smith Charles Walter A Hackney 1b 586
Smith Charles William Edmonton 3a 441
Smith Charles William Hendon 3a 182

And if the September quarter these for Middlesex:

Births Sep 1895
Smith Charles Islington 1b 428
Smith Charles Hendon 3a 212
Smith Charles Henry Fulham 1a 321
Smith Charles Martin Shoreditch 1c 93
Smith Charles Reuben Whitechapel 1c 306

There are others in central London.

 

[DaveHam9]

Is there no reference anywhere to Charles having a middle name?

 

[James]

My fathers name was Charles Thomas Smith he was the first born so it might be Thomas but i dont know Charles Smith Royal Navy No L 5884 i dont know if he had brothers or sisters thanks James

 

[DaveHam9]

I take it that there is nothing in his service record or in the marriage certificate or in the birth certificates of children or his death that indicates Charles had a middle name.

It's possible he had one but chose never to use it.

Do you have his death certificate?

Was his death reported in a newspaper?

Was his death the subject of an inquest?

Do age at marriage and age at death agree with a birth in 1895?

Has Charles been found in 1911 census?

Deaths in Middlesex and London for March quarter. Only one seems to fit if his death was registered.

Deaths Mar 1927
Smith Charles 47 Pancras 1b 90
Smith Charles 79 Paddington 1a 27
Smith Charles 31 Wandsworth 1d 506
Smith Charles 48 Greenwich 1d 1290
Smith Charles A 26 Edmonton 3a 726
Smith Charles E 33 St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 720
Smith Charles H 56 Lambeth 1d 457
Smith Charles K 68 Pancras 1b 131
Smith Charles R 60 Stepney 1c 414
Smith Charles W A 43 Wandsworth 1d 944

 

[James]

How do i go about getting a death cert from he Royal Navy from 1927