LYON family

[DaveHam9]

Hello,

John Lamb LYON & E. G. PEARSON
Marriage: 3 Dec 1860 Anderston, Glasgow, Lanark

http://adbonline.anu.edu.au/biogs/A100179b.htm

John Lamb LYON married Elizabeth Gillespie PEARSON in Glasgow on 3 December 1860 before sailing for Melbourne; they arrived on 20 March 1861. His father [James], a storekeeper at Maldon, had migrated some years earlier.

James arrived assisted or unassisted and when. ???

James LYON & Janet THORNBURN
Marriage: 1 Jun 1835 Glasgow, Lanark

1851
Piece: SCT1851/644 Place: Glasgow -Lanarkshire Enumeration District: 3
Civil Parish: St David's Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: St David's
Folio: 546 Page: 9 Schedule: 33
Address: 95 Candleriggs Street
Surname First name(s) Rel Status *** Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
LYON Janet Head M F 37 Upholstereress Lanarkshire - Glasgow
LYON John Son U M 15 Glass Stainer (Apprentice) Lanarkshire - Glasgow
LYON Eliz Dau U F 12 Scholar Lanarkshire - Glasgow
LYON Beatrice Thorburn Sister U F 30 White Seam Sewer Lanarkshire - Glasgow

Says migrated some years earlier but perhaps even before 1851 census. If not where is James in 1851? When did he arrive. ???

The only vessel I can see arriving in Melbourne in March 1861 and no passenger list on that site:

arrival: Donald McKay

Origin: Liverpool
Destination: Melbourne 1861 Mar

Arrived unassisted to Melbourne, so that just leaves James to find.

LYON ELIZTH 22 MAR 1861 DONALD MCKAY B 187 003
LYON JOHN L 25 MAR 1861 DONALD MCKAY B 187 003

Regards,

Dave

 

[gibbo]

Slowly working backward with the years. Its the earliest i can find James in the papers.

Got James in Feb,. 1855. Not posting the whole article as its quiet long.

The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1956)
Wednesday 28 February 1855

James Lyons sworn : I am a storekeeper. I saw prisoner, who carne into my store about seven or eight in tho morning of the 10th

 

[gibbo]

Did Janet come out here as well. Going by her age in the 1851 census she was born around 1814. Found this......

VIC archives
Index to Assisted British Immigration 1839-1871

LYON JANET age 44 month DEC year 1858 ship JOHN AND LUCY
LYON ELIZABETH age 19 month DEC year 1858 ship JOHN AND LUCY

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Gibbo.

I don't know if Janet ended up in Australia or if she died in Scotland. Age does fit.

I don't think they would name two daughters Elizabeth.

It almost looks as though daughter Elizabeth arrived twice.

 

[gibbo]

Just worked it out Dave :biggrin:

The 1861 list for ship Donald McKay is John and his WIFE Elizabeth.

The 1858 list i found is John's sister, Elizabeth and his mother Janet.

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Gibbo. :2fun:

It helps to read post #1 again because it was posted last December.

So still looking for James.

 

[gibbo]

There was only 3 posts on here to read when you logged in Dave and you missed reading #1 :2fun::2fun::2fun:

Ok do you have a death for James?

 

[DaveHam9]

No death for James or spouse Janet. Only son John and his spouse Elizabeth who both died in Balmain North, NSW.

I don't have any of them in 1841 census either. Some gaps with this family in my tree.

A possible but where are the two children?

Piece: SCT1841/644 Place: Glasgow -Lanarkshire Enumeration District: 11
Civil Parish: Glasgow Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: St David
Folio: 165 Page: 17
Address: Little Hamilton Street
Surname First name(s) *** Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
LYON Janet F 25 Sewer Lanarkshire

 

[gibbo]

Ok where are we up to with this one now? Still looking for a list for when James arrived?

 

[DaveHam9]

Yes arrival for James and the family in 1841.

I had better ask for a look up for deaths in Victoria.

Deaths in Victoria 25x James and 2x Janet.

Death 1895 Janet LYON but don't know if it is the right one yet.

 

[gibbo]

That 10 years long service will be up and we'll still be chasing your passenger lists :2fun::2fun::2fun:

Im sure sometimes a few of the ones we cant find means the lists havent survived.

 

[DaveHam9]

Yes, there will be some we will never find.

 

[gibbo]

Do you think John could be actually James?

VIC
Index to Assisted British Immigration 1839-1871
LYON JOHN age 45 month NOV year 1851 ship HOOGHLY 5 208


Yeah i know probably clutching at straws :2fun::2fun:

 

[DaveHam9]

If so then he should still be at home in 1851 but he is not with the rest of the family.

So I don't know.

 

[gibbo]

If so then he should still be at home in 1851 but he is not with the rest of the family.

So I don't know.

The 1851 census was taken on 30 March that year. Ok so back to square one again :biggrin: I'll have another look tomorrow, his got to be somewhere :2fun::2fun:

 

[DaveHam9]

I've been searching TROVE and it keeps showing James Lyons and there is more than one in Victoria. Maldon is about halfway between Bendigo and Ballarat. He could have started off as a storekeeper in Ballarat.

 

[gibbo]

Ballarat was thriving in the early 1850's so posible he was there, everyone else was :2fun::2fun: Could be worth checking out.

 

[leefer]

http://fergusonandurie.wordpress.co...ls-his-house-in-dudley-street-west-melbourne/

Interesting

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Lee.

John did lots of stained glass windows for important buildings in Australia.

Bio HERE