Mabel SANDERS b c 1876 Kingsteignton

[brentor boy]

Mabel Sanders (Sep Q 1876 Newton Abbot?) was daughter of William and Susan(na) Sanders. In 1881 she was with her parents in Kingsteignton, Devon, but was away from home in 1891.

The 1891 index has a possible entry for her (as Mable) living in Herefordshire. I would welcome full details of the entry, please.

There is nothing I can recognise on 1901, by which time it is quite likely she would have married - if still alive. Any assistance or advice to help me determine which would be appreciated. It may be of relevance that she was the only one of his siblings who did not attend her brother's funeral in 1919.

 

[DaveHam9]

You may rule out if you have not done so already:

Marriages Jun Qtr 1895
Sanders Mabel Ellen Newton A. 5b 262
Sweet John Newton A. 5b 262

Deaths Mar Qtr 1949
Sweet Mabel E 77 Newton A. 7a 609

Births Mar Qtr 1871
Sanders Mabel Ellen Newton A. 5b 166

 

[ptjw7]

A better fit in 1881

Person: SAUNDERS, Mable
Address: Doward House, Little Doward, Ganarew

BAILLIE, Ellin M Head Widow F 63 1828 Living On Own Means St Hilary, Glamorganshire
BAILLIE, Dora Daughter Single F 33 1858 Belgravia, London
BAILLIE, Gilbert S Son Single M 29 1862 Ystradowen, Glamorganshire
LUSTY, Caroline Servant Single F 47 1844 Nurse Domestic Servant Cheltenham, Gloucestershire
MORETON, Leah Servant Single F 38 1853 Cook Domestic Servant Munsley, Herefordshire
GWILLIAM, Lydia Servant Single F 25 1866 Parlour Maid Servant Short Standing, Gloucestershire
HAIL, Ellen Servant Single F 21 1870 House Maid Servant Kensington, London
SAUNDERS, Mable Servant Single F 14 1877 Kitchen Maid Servant Kingsteignton, Devonshire
Piece: 4341
Folio: 39
Page: 1
Registration District: Monmouth
Civil Parish: Ganarew
Municipal Borough:
Address: Doward House, Little Doward, Ganarew
County: Monmouthshire


At least it has the correct birth place.

Peter

 

[ptjw7]

Found another fit for 1901
Also had a look for births in 1877 in Devon, only one listed is for mabel 1876

Person: SANDERS, Mabel L
Address: 7, Upper Church Street, Bath

GOLDSTONE, William Lodger Married M 66 1835 Own Means Bath, Somersetshire
GOLDSTONE, Frances E Lodger Married F 59 1842 Own Means Ellisfield, Hampshire
SANDERS, Hannah Head Single F 38 1863 Lodging House KeeperKingsteignton, Devonshire
SANDERS, Mabel L Daughter Single F 24 1877 General Serv Domestic Kingsteignton, Devonshire
MILLEN, William J Lodger Single M 19 1882 Kingsteignton, Devonshire
BAIN, Donald Lodger Married M 77 1824 Own Means Overton, Devonshire
BAIN, Amelia Lodger Married F 56 1845 Own Means Redruth, Cornwall
Piece: 2343
Folio: 76
Page: 30
Registration District: Bath
Civil Parish: Bath
Municipal Borough:
Address: 7, Upper Church Street, Bath
County: Somersetshire

Peter

 

[ptjw7]

Found same person as 1901 in the 1911 census

Person: SANDERS, Mabel Louisa
Address: 7 Upper Church St Bath

SANDERS, Hannah Head Single F 48 1863 Lodging Housekeeper Kingsteignton S Devon
SANDERS, Mabel Louisa Single F 34 1877 Assistant Kingsteignton S Devon

RG number: RG14
Piece: 14718
Reference: RG14PN14718 RG78PN893 RD316 SD4 ED16 SN8
Registration District: Bath
Sub District: Walcot
Enumeration District: 16
Parish: Bath
Address: 7 Upper Church St Bath
County: Somersetshire

Not to sure who hannah is!


Peter

 

[DaveHam9]

Births Sep Qtr 1862
SANDERS Hannah Newton A. 5b 131

Name: Hannah Sanders
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1871
Gender: Female
Age: 8
Relationship to Head of Household: Daughter
Birthplace: Kingsteignton, Devonshire
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Newton Abbot
Sub-District: Newton Abbot
Parish: Kingsteignton
County: Devonshire
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Self William Sanders M 42 Kingsteignton, Devonshire
Wife Susan Sanders F 36 Huntsham, Devonshire
Son William J Sanders M 17 Kingsteignton, Devonshire
Daughter Sarah Sanders F 13 Kingsteignton, Devonshire
Son George Sanders M 11 Kingsteignton, Devonshire
Daughter Hannah Sanders F 8 Kingsteignton, Devonshire
Son John Sanders M 6 Kingsteignton, Devonshire
Daughter Mary Sanders F 4 Kingsteignton, Devonshire
Son Harry Sanders M 2 Kingsteignton, Devonshire


1901 says Mabel is daughter of lodging house keeper head Hannah.

 

[ptjw7]

Found Hannah in the 1871 census and she is the sister of Mabel

Person: SANDERS, Hannah
Address: Fulford's Court, Kingsteignton

SANDERS, William Head M 42 1829 Devon
SANDERS, Susan Wife F 36 1835 Devon
SANDERS, William J Son M 17 1854 Devon
SANDERS, Sarah Daughter F 13 1858 Devon
SANDERS, George Son M 11 1860 Devon
SANDERS, Hannah Daughter F 8 1863 Devon
SANDERS, John Son M 6 1865 Devon
SANDERS, Mary Daughter F 4 1867 Devon
SANDERS, Harry Son M 2 1869 Devon

Piece: 2083
Folio: 43
Page: 30
Registration District: Newton Abbot
Civil Parish: Kingsteignton
Municipal Borough:
Address: Fulford's Court, Kingsteignton
County: Devonshire


Peter

Oops looks like I was to slow dave beat me to it!

 

[DaveHam9]

You got the census ref, Peter.

I can't see what happens to Mabel after 1911. Several marriages after 1911 census and matching deaths for a Mabel SANDERS without the middle name Louisa.

 

[DaveHam9]

Deaths Dec Qtr 1936
Sanders Hannah 74 Bristol 6a 26

 

[brentor boy]

Many thanks, Dave and Peter. You've found her!

The 1901 entry is interesting. Presumably, as lodging house keeper, Hannah would have been responsible for completing the census return so the fact that she refers to Mabel as "daughter" could be an accurate description of their relationship. Surely she would have had no reason to pretend otherwise. Could this mean that, at 14, Hannah had an illegitimate child who was then raised by Hannah's parents as their own? Time for a certificate.

I think Mabel assumed the name Louisa for reasons of her own.

From the report of the funeral of brother Mark Sanders in 1919 I have identified his siblings except for one recorded ambiguously simply as "Miss Sanders", which could refer to either Hannah or Mabel.

 

[ptjw7]

A pleasure to troll the census and have something conclusive to come out of it.
Not so nice when they just disappear into thin air!

peter