MACKELLAR family

[DaveHam9]

Hello,

One of several trees - HERE

I can't find a baptism for Neil McKELLAR/MACKELLER abt 1832. I also can't find when Neil and the others arrived.

The author of the tree says Donald the eldest son was the first to arrive:

MCKELLAR Donald arrived in SA 1838-11-16 aboard Rajasthan from London 07-26 [Source:2]

Neil senior died 1862 in Vic. and Neil junior in 1892 in Summer Hill, NSW.

Most of the family lived and died in Victoria. Marriages 1850 & 1851 so they arrived before 1851 census.

I don't know how much I can trust the tree when Dugald is born 1835 and his mother Ann died in 1833. I can't find a baptism for Dugald 1833-1836.

I also doubt very much Neil was in Canada in 1861 and back in Scotland in 1871 and 1881.

I can't find them in 1841 but that does not mean they arrived before 1841. All I can say is 1833-1850. ??? I don't know if we can prove it's the right Donald in 1838.

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

I managed to find one baptism:

Elizabeth Davidson
Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
christening: 20 Mar 1840 KIRRIEMUIR,​ ANGUS,​ SCOTLAND
parents: James Davidson,​ Isabella Spalding

1841
Piece: SCT1841/316 Place: Panbride -Angus Enumeration District: 5
Civil Parish: Panbride Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 0 Page: 4
Address: Village of Gallowlaw
Surname First name(s) *** Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
DAVIDSON William M 30 Mason's Labourer Angus
DAVIDSON Isobel F 35 Angus
DAVIDSON Isobel F 3 Angus
DAVIDSON Elizabeth F 1 Angus


DAVIDSON James, wife, 3 ch arrived in SA 1847-10-13 aboard Lady MacNaghten (Lady McNaughton) from London 1847-07-01 [Source:6]

Marriage in Vic. in 1863:
Reg# 1927 McKELLAR Neil - DAVIDSON Elizabeth McNico

Death 4516/1923 MACKELLAR ELIZABETH M - JAMES - ISOBEL - WALGETT

 

[horse]

Hi Dave

There is a similar tree on Anc. with those stat's (can be validated) for Neil Jr. and appear to refer to a Neil b. Paisley, Renfrewshire.

I almost gave up on this one then I came across this, though not too hopeful (no Margaret or Catherine seen on any tree):
1851 United Kingdom Census Sample:
Name: Neil McKellar
Address: Argyll Street
Enumeration District: Lochgilphead
County: Argyll
Birth Place: Argyllshire, Scotland, Palishay?
Age: 29
Gender: Male
Relationship: Head
Marriage Status: Unmarried
Occupation: Wine & Spirit Mercha
Household: View other family members:
Margt McKellar, sis, unm, 37, b. Argyllshire, Scotland, Palishay?, visitor.
Catherne McKellar, sis, unm, 25, b. Argyllshire, Scotland, Palishay?, occ: housemaid.
Mary McKellar, neice, 8, b. Argyllshire, Scotland, Lochgilphead, scholar.

Geoff

 

[gibbo]

Dont give up on Dave's threads horse! God knows there hard enough so the more eyes the better :2fun::2fun:

 

[gibbo]

Found this tree Dave and it states " Neil arrived in Australia about 1849"

http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=mck-con&id=I4199

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello Geoff,

Thanks for looking.

I can't see how that family you found in the census fits with the others although Lochgilphead is given in several trees as pob for Neil junior.

Regards,

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks gibbo.

It does seem they arrived before 1851 census.

Hard to know what to believe with the trees. Checking parts of that tree I notice some errors:

MacKELLAR George Sinclair Death notice 14OCT1951 Death late of Chatswood SMH 15OCT1951

Several newspaper articles and notices have date as 14th not 12th.

Lochgoilhead instead of lochgilphead.

Ardrachy instead of Ardachy.

Ardrachy Station in Victoria. A descendant named his residence in Artarmon, NSW 'Ardachy' and it's in army service record and E/R:

1930 & 1939 NSW Electoral Roll - North Sydney - Artarmon
McKELLAR George Colin, Ardachy, Mowbray road, independent means
McKELLAR Dorothy Jean, Ardachy, Mowbray road, Chatswood, home dut.

 

[gibbo]

I cant find them on any passenger lists a few years either side of 1849

 

[DaveHam9]

I just realised post #2 does not make sense. I was searching for an Elizabeth born 1840 Angus.

If father is James then census has William.

A tree has this for Elizabeth:

1861 Methlick, Aberdeenshire, Scotland

Married in 1863 in Victoria. Possible but I doubt they were still in Scotland in 1861.


I can't find an Elizabeth DAVIDSON born 1840 +/- 2 Angus in Scotland in 1841 or 1851.

 

[horse]

Hi Guys

haha @ gibbo... yeah, Dave's branches are always a challenge, I'm reserving judgement on his trees :2fun:

Yeah, it was the place name and Neil/age that drew me to it, I suspect it is no worse than being in Canada :biggrin:

Geoff

 

[gibbo]

Ok i found this on Donald

Born 1814 and landed in Adelaide in 1837. Well according to the article he did :biggrin: Might help confirm the arrival date for him.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/63659229?searchTerm="donald MACKELLAR"&searchLimits=exactPhrase=donald+MACKELLAR|||anyWords|||notWords|||l-textSearchScope=*ignore*%7C*ignore*|||fromdd|||frommm|||fromyyyy|||todd|||tomm|||toyyyy|||l-word=*ignore*%7C*ignore*|||sortby|||l-decade=189|||l-year=1897

 

[gibbo]

OH Not a good link was it
Try this one.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/art...ord=*ignore*|*ignore*|||sortby|||l-decade=189

 

[gibbo]

Dave have you the death and funeral notice for Neil who died 1892?

I found them in the ryerson but cant find them in Trove

McKELLAR Neil Death notice 05OCT1892 Death 59
at Summer Hill, late of Moongulla near Collarenabri
Sydney Morning Herald
06 OCT 1892

McKELLAR Neil Funeral notice 06OCT1892 Funeral
at Summer Hill
Sydney Morning Herald
06 OCT 1892

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks gibbo.

So that bit is correct. Almost. 1814 or 1815 and 1837 or 1838.

 

[DaveHam9]

Yes, thanks:

The Sydney Morning Herald - Thursday 6 October 1892 p.1
Deaths.
McKELLAR.-October 5, at the residence of his son, Henson-street, Summer Hill, Neil McKellar, of Moongulla near Collarendabri [sic], grazier, aged 59 years.


The Sydney Morning Herald - Thursday 6 October 1892 p.8
Funerals.
THE FRIENDS of the late Mr. NEIL McKELLAR are respectfully invited to attend his Funeral, to move from the residence of his son, Henson-street, Summer Hill, THIS (Thursday) AFTERNOON, at 2 o'clock, for the Ashfield station, thence to the Necropolis.
T. CRISFORD, Undertaker, Burwood and Ashfield.

Presbyterian 1D 0002263 MC KELLAR NEIL 06 Oct 1892


It's about 50/50 Mc and MAC.

 

[gibbo]

I was hoping for a article like Donald had :2fun::2fun:

 

[DaveHam9]

Ah. Well, we missed out I think. :biggrin:

I just followed Ryerson and got the two notices. Don't actually know if there is an obit.

I've just checked 6th, 7th and 8th and no obit.

 

[gibbo]

So it appears that Ann died before the family come over here
Wonder where they got the " BEF 1849" from Why 1849, maybe that is when the family arrived and Ann wasnt with them


Name: Ann SINCLAIR
Given Name: Ann
Surname: SINCLAIR
***: F
Birth: BEF 20 MAY 1794 in Kilchrenan, Argyll, Scotland
Death: BEF 1849 in Scotland

 

[DaveHam9]

Dunno.

The other tree has her death in 1833 and a copy of her marriage but not a copy of her death certificate.

I'll see if I can find that death. No sign of a death.

Using 15 Dec 1832 birth/baptism for Neil I can't find a record for a Neil/Niel in Scotland in 1832.

 

[gibbo]

#5 post on here. Neil arrived around 1849.
And the tree has that Ann died before 1849 therefore im assuming she didnt come out here with them hence the tree owner obviously thinks Ann died before the family come here.


PS The pot plant stands turned out good :biggrin: