Margaret Agnes Mary CHERRY

[DaveHam9]

Hello,

Margaret was born abt 1847 in Co Clare, Ireland and arrived with family in 1855:

CHERRY Margaret 8 'Mangerton' 1855 Sydney and/or Newcastle and family Reel 2137, [4/4792]; Reel 2471, [4/4952]

NSW marriage 6024/1882 MACKENZIE JOHN A - CHERRY MAGGIE AGNES MARY - ARMIDALE

August 1893 is the last reference I can find for Maggie.

Regards,

Dave

 

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Just posting this more for my own reference with parents names etc.

CHERRY Anne 39 Mangerton 1855
CHERRY Jane 11 Mangerton 1855
CHERRY John 46 Mangerton 1855
CHERRY Margaret 8 Mangerton 1855
CHERRY Mary Ann 14 Mangerton 1855
CHERRY Patrick 23 Mangerton 1855
CHERRY Winifred 20 Mangerton 1855

 

[DaveHam9]

Yes, that is the family. I have the death reg but not the full date of death for all except Margaret.

 

[gibbo]

What was the last reference in August 1893 for Maggie for?

 

[DaveHam9]

:2fun:

It's a note in my database but I have no idea now.


The Sydney Morning Herald - Monday 21 August 1893
FUNERALS
THE FRIENDS of Mrs. JNO. MACKENZIE and Miss JANE CHERRY are kindly invited to attend the Funeral of their late beloved SISTER, Mrs. Winifred O'Donohoe, which will move from St Augustine's Church, Balmain, THIS (Monday) AFTERNOON, at 3 o'clock, to Balmain R.C. Cemetery.
Wood and Company, undertakers.

 

[gibbo]

Dave you have a death for John A Mackenzie or you cant find his death neither?

 

[DaveHam9]

This is all I have on John. :2fun:

Marriage 6024/1882 MACKENZIE JOHN A - CHERRY MAGGIE AGNES MARY - ARMIDALE

It seems from the notice he had died or they divorced or whatever.

No sign of a divorce.

Only one death for a John A and that's at Woonona which is south of Sydney and not near Armidale.

Lots of others 1882-1893.

 

[DaveHam9]

This could help. Looks like several children:

3785/1883 MACKENZIE MARY G - JOHN A - MAGGIE M - BALMAIN
29/1884 MACKENZIE VIOLET M - JOHN A - MARGARET M - SYDNEY
4789/1886 MACKENZIE ALICK F - JOHN A - MAGGIE M A - BALMAIN
5396/1890 MACKENZIE MARY M V - JOHN A - MARGARET - BALMAIN


Looks like 2 deaths:

2254/1883 MACKENZIE MARY G - JOHN A - MAGGIE - BALMAIN

26386/1944 MACKENZIE ALICK FRANCIS - JOHN ALEXANDER - MARGARET - NEWTOWN

Lots of other John As but no births after 1890 with mother = Margaret/Maggie.

 

[gibbo]

When i think they cant get any harder you go and find another one:2fun::2fun:

Patrick's death notice gives nothing up Thought if i could find the death notices for some of the kids it might mention their sister Maggie. Yeah i know you got one in #5 in here :biggrin:

7842/1906 CHERRY PATRICK JOHN ANN BALMAIN NORTH

The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842 - 1954)
Saturday 28 July 1906
CHERRY - At his residence 10 Ann street, Balmain,
Patrick Cherri aged 75 years 'RIP'

 

[DaveHam9]

Martin died 28 Aug 1898 and there are lots of funeral notices and not one mentions sister Maggie.

 

[gibbo]

Whose Martin?

 

[DaveHam9]

Anne CHERRY age 39 born Dunnas, Co. Clare, parents are Dennis & Mary (both dead).
Relation in a colony is a son Martin CHERRY living in Pitt Street.

The eldest son who arrived in 1848:

CHERRY Martin 21 Hyderabad 1848 Sydney and/or Newcastle Reel 2135, [4/4786] Page 9
Hyderabad - Arrived 19 Feb 1848
Martin 21 Gardener Limerick, Co Limerick RCatholic Both

 

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Anne CHERRY age 39 born Dunnas, Co. Clare, parents are Dennis & Mary (both dead).
Relation in a colony is a son Martin CHERRY living in Pitt Street.

The eldest son who arrived in 1848:

CHERRY Martin 21 Hyderabad 1848 Sydney and/or Newcastle Reel 2135, [4/4786] Page 9
Hyderabad - Arrived 19 Feb 1848
Martin 21 Gardener Limerick, Co Limerick RCatholic Both

Dave are you sure you have that right?

CHERRY Anne 39 Mangerton 1855 so Ann would have been born around 1816
and supposedly son Martin was 21 in 1848 so would have been born around 1827 = Ann would have been 11 when she had him.

 

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Ryerson

CHERRY Martin Cronin Death notice 28AUG---- Death 72 late of Balmain Sydney Morning Herald 29AUG1898

His age fits his age on the passenger list.......... im still not convinced he belongs to them. Could he be a step son to Ann maybe John was married before

 

[DaveHam9]

Of course no mother on his death reg:

Death 8674/1898 CHERRY MARTIN - JOHN - UNKNOWN - BALMAIN SOUTH

Several Funeral notices:

The Sydney Morning Herald - Monday 29 August 1898 p.8

Ok, that is not much help. It mentions a brother Patrick but that's such a common name.
No mention of any of the three sisters. Two had died and the third was probably in a mental hospital - that's where she died.

No death 1850-1950 in NSW for another Martin with father = John.

So either it's the wrong Martin or his mother died in Ireland.

 

[DaveHam9]

Ok, one other thing does not fit. He was from Co Limerick and the rest were from Co Clare.

Is there another Martin CHERRY from Co Clare who arrived before 1855?

This mob but that can't fit if mentioned one son already in colony:

CHERRY Ann 19 Oriental 1850 Sydney and/or Newcastle and sisters Reel 2136, [4/4786] Page 569; Reel 2461, [4/4918]
CHERRY Bridget 22 Oriental 1850 Sydney and/or Newcastle and sisters Reel 2136, [4/4786] Page 569; Reel 2461, [4/4918]
CHERRY John 23 Oriental 1850 Sydney and/or Newcastle and brother Reel 2136, [4/4786] Page 569; Reel 2461, [4/4918]
CHERRY Margaret 20 Oriental 1850 Sydney and/or Newcastle and sisters Reel 2136, [4/4786] Page 569; Reel 2461, [4/4918]
CHERRY Martin 20 Oriental 1850 Sydney and/or Newcastle and brother Reel 2136, [4/4786] Page 569; Reel 2461, [4/4918]
CHERRY Mary 24 Oriental 1850 Sydney and/or Newcastle and sisters Reel 2136, [4/4786] Page 569; Reel 2461, [4/4918]

They are from a different town in Co Clare.

 

[gibbo]

Oh why did i ask who Martin was :2fun::2fun::2fun:

 

[DaveHam9]

Why do I have this family in my tree?

If Martin is a step-son then he is 'attached' to Anne's record because there was already one 'attached' to John's.

John CHERRY age 46 born Dunnas, Co. Clare, parents are Patrick & Winifred (both dead).
Relation in a colony is a sister Mary CHERRY per "Caroline".

 

[DaveHam9]

I'm moving on, soon. :biggrin:

Marriage V1850351 96/1850 CHERRY MARTIN - FLANNERY MARY - LD= RC St Mary's Sydney

That parish register is on film but it will probably not mention his parents.

Birth ?

Marriage 1658/1880 TANCRED STEPHEN - CHERRY MARY A - BALMAIN

Death 1440/1925 TANCRED MARY A - MARTIN - MARY - PETERSHAM

Mrs. Stephen Tancred is mentioned as a daughter of Martin Cronin CHERRY in his funeral notice. Martin Cronin CHERRY of Clare-street.


Death 2383/1879 CHERRY MARY - JOHN - MARY - BALMAIN

CHERRY Mary Death notice 13JUN1879 Death 50 late of Balmain, formerly of Killaloe, County Clare, Ireland Sydney Morning Herald 21JUN1879


Death 2067/1879 CHERRY MARY A - THOMAS - KATE - SYDNEY

The Sydney Morning Herald -Saturday 14 June 1879 p.16
FUNERALS
THE FRIENDS of Mr. MARTIN CHERRY are invited to attend the Funeral of his lite beloved WIFE Mary ; to move from her late residence, Crescent-street, Balmain on SUNDAY AFTERNOON, at 3 o'clock.

THE FRIENDS of Mr. MARTIN CHERRY are respectfully invited to attend the Funeral of his beloved WIFE ; to move from her late residence Clare-street, Balmain, TO-MORROW, Sunday, at 3 o'clock.

:2fun: :2fun:

 

[DaveHam9]

The Sydney Morning Herald - Tuesday 22 March 1881 p.1
MARRIAGES
CHERRY-EASTMURE.-February 14, at St. Augustine's, Balmain, by the Rev. G. F. Dillon, Martin Cronin Cherry, to Clara Josepha, third daughter of the late Joseph Eastmure.

I don't know if that one is on film. Even if it is it may not mention his parents.