Marian/Mary Ann KILFEDER

[DaveHam9]

Hello,

Surname: KILFEDDER
Given Names: Mary Ann
Event: B
Spouse Surname/Father: James Michael
Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Margaret Elizabeth CURHAM
Age:
***:
Birth Place: SAND
Death Place:
Year: 1871
Reg Number: 26143
Denomination:
Parish:
Fiche:


Surname: KILFEDER
Given Names: Marian
Event: Marriage
***: Female
Spouse Surname: HATFIELD
Spouse Gvn Names: Alfred William
Age:
Birth Place: BENDIGO
Death Place:
Year: 1902
Reg. Number: 6550


Name: Marion Hatfield
Death Place: Ballarat, Victoria
Age: 71
Father's Name: Jas Michl Kilfelder
Mother's Name: Mariln Elizth Curham
Registration Year: 1944
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Number: 17880
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873

Can we prove Marian/Marion and Mary Ann are the same person?

Is there a birth reg for Marian/Marion? Is there a death for Mary Ann?

Parents are James Michael KILFEDER and Margaret Elizabeth CHURHAM

Name can be KILFEDER, KILFEDDER, KILFELDER

Dave

 

[gibbo]

The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957)
Wednesday 2 July 1919

KILFEDER. - On the 1st July, 1919, at his residence,"Kinlough," 111 Mollison street, Bendigo, James M. (ex-sgt. of police), beloved husband of the late M. E. Kilfeder, and loving father of John C., Minnie (Mrs. A. W. Hatfield), Ballarat ; Edith (Mrs. A. E. Davey), and Nance (Mrs. G. H. Caldwell), in his 78th year.
At rest

 

[gibbo]

At least the burial records prove Minnie in the death notice in the previous post is really Marion

Ballaret
New Cemetery
HATFIELD MARION
Area : COFEG
Church Of England G
Section : -6
Section 6
Row : 2
Grave : 46


HATFIELD ALFRED WILLIAM
Area : COFEG
Church Of England G
Section : -6
Section 6
Row : 2
Grave : 46

Death notice for Marion. She is named Marion in one and Minnie in another.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/art...rchLimits=exactPhrase=ALFRED+WILLIAM+hatfield

 

[gibbo]

Just got to prove that Mary Ann is actually Marian/Minnie:biggrin: Back to post #1 now after my little side track

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks gibbo.

John C = John Curham - the eldest child

Walter born 1870 died young.

Mary Ann born 1871 - Have reg but not full dob - no death

Marian = Minnie - Age at death indicates 1872-1873

Edith Elizabeth is ok. Born 1873 - Have reg but not full dob

Anna Sophia = Nance - the youngest is ok.


One way to prove it is to find the dob and find there is no gap for two.

 

[gibbo]

I was hoping to find a marriage notice for them and see what names were noted in that but i cant find one

 

[DaveHam9]

Yes, I don't think TROVE will solve this one for us.


There is a tree that calls her Marion Mary Ann b. 1871 Port Melbourne.

The birth reg for Mary Ann 1871 very clearly has Sandhurst which is not near Port Melbourne.

 

[horse]

This is either interesting or an error!

Marion Kilfedder
Spouse: Wm Alfd Hatfield
Marriage Place: Victoria
Reg: Victoria
Reg Year: 1904
Reg no: 6577

Geoff

 

[horse]

Maybe it is Sandhurst Central where Marian was born, given her place of marriage was Bendigo. Parents fit birth in post #1...

E/R
James Michael Kilfedder
1909
Victoria
Bendigo
Sub dist: Sandhurst Central
[Occ: Publican. With a Margaret Elizabeth, home duties]

Geoff

 

[gibbo]

So a 1902 and 1904 marriage for the same people

Found this tho :biggrin:

Bendigo Advertiser (Vic. : 1855 - 1918)
Wednesday 28 December 1904
MATRIMONIAL.
A quiet, pretty wedding was celebrated at All Saints' pro-Cathedral yesterday morning. when Mr. A. W. Hatfield, son of Mr. H. IH. Hatfield, of Box Hill, was united to Miss Marion (Minnie) Kilfeder, eldest daughter of Mr. J. M. Kiilfeder, ex-sergeant of the Victorian police force. The Ven. Archdeacon Watson performed the wedding ceremony in the presence of the relatives of the contracting parties. The bride, who was given away by her father, was attired in an exceedingly tasteiful costume of soft white silk, with chiffon and lace trimmings. The customary wreath and veil and: bouquet comulctcd a charming bridal outfit. The brides maids were the Misses Edie and Nance Kilfoder (sisters of the bride). The first-named wore an attractive, white muslin and black picture hat, and her younger sister was 2'ar')" e din crcam silk voile with laoe trimmings. Mr. E. Hatfield performed the office of groomsman. The- wedding breakfast took place at the residence of the bride's parents, the tables being decorated in rare taste. The, customary toasts wore honored, and the happy couple departed by the noon train on their honeymoon trip. The bride, who earned deserved popularity while in the Education department, was the recipient of many handsome and valuable wedding gifts.

Morning Geoff :biggrin:

 

[horse]

Nearly - morning gibbo

Yeah, was starting to look like 1904, also he was a teacher.

Geoff

 

[gibbo]

The notice didnt help none tho in trying to work out if Marian and Mary ann are the same person.

 

[horse]

No, there are a few minor errors in the marriage records, looking similar for her birth records.

I suppose the problem is the tree/s one saying 1871 another 1873. They can be forgiven since apart from the name, Mary Ann.. 1871 as per index, is 2 years out at age at death (71 = 1873)

 

[horse]

Oh! This would make it awkward to be 1873 unless she was a twin..

Birth:
Edith Eliz Kilfeder
Father: James Michael Kilfeder
Mother: Margt Eliz Curham
Place: Darraweit Guim, Victoria
Reg Year: 1873
Reg Place: Victoria
Reg no: 23370

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff & gibbo.

I would seem Marion/Mary Ann was born Sandhurst (Bendigo) and that the 1902 is an error yet the 1904 has her place of birth as Port Melbourne which does not fit.

Not a twin so it looks very much as if the 1871 birth as Mary Ann is in fact Marion's.

Dave

 

[stevehorz]

Hi

Have been reading this thread given my interest in Kilfeder.

Just a small point but there is commentary about a birth in SAND ...
"There is a tree that calls her Marion Mary Ann b. 1871 Port Melbourne.
The birth reg for Mary Ann 1871 very clearly has Sandhurst which is not near Port Melbourne."

Could this be Sandridge which is the pre-1884 name for Port Melbourne (refer Wikipedia)

Regards
Steve

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello Steve,

welcome to FHUK

I will look in my tree.

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello Steve,

You are probably correct. I wish there was a unique code for the BMD.

1868 Port Melbourne
1870 Kehuea
1874 Ballan

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

I got this one a few days ago. Pity it has so little detail:

Church Marriage Record
Date of Marriage: 17-Feb-1834
Parish / District: CLOONCLARE CHURCH OF IRELAND County: Co. Leitrim
Husband Wife
Name: John Kelfedder Anne Knox
Address: Rossinver Manorhamilton
Denomination: Church of Ireland Church of Ireland
Occupation:
Age:
Status:
Husband's Father Wife's Father
Name:
Address:
Denomination:
Occupation:
Husband's Mother Wife's Mother
Name:
Address:
Denomination:
Occupation:
Witness 1 Witness 2
Name:
Notes:

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

Hello Steve,

You might be able to help me with this one - a marriage ???

Death
Surname: NAUGHTON
Given Names: Anne
Father: Killfeder Jno
Mother: Anne KNOX
Death Place: BWK
Age: 70
Year: 1923
Reg Number: 13761
Event: D

Fawkner Memorial Park wishes to advise that the location of the buried remains of the late Anne Naughton aged 70 are located at Coburg Cemetery ROMAN CATHOLIC: Compartment: CC Grave No: 22. Service date: 9/10/1923.

Dave