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Martha Hyatt born Gloucestershire

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Looking for a birth/baptism for a Martha Hyatt/Hiatt somewhere in Gloucestershire 1805-1815. She married Thomas Daniel Drake Archer in Cheltenham in 1833 using the name Patty which I believe is a derivative/nickname for Martha.

Fom the 1851 Census she gives a place of birth as Cheltenham and a birth year of 1813 but as she was in the Cheltenham Workhouse at the time I'm not 100% sure how reliable that is.

I do know that she is not the one born 1810 in Willersley as I have found her in later Censuses. My Martha died in the Workhouse in the 1850's.

I can't find her, or her children Jane b. 1835, Thomas b. 1838 and Annie Maria b. 1840 in Cheltenham, anywhere in 1841 although husband Thomas was in Southampton, which is where their next child was born in 1843. Perhaps the family were on route to Southampton and somehow avoided the Census.

If anyone can help me over this brickwall I'd be very grateful.

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Mary Ann's Bap not much help, interesting that her mother is calling herself Martha and not Patty..

If you haven't anything else on Mary Ann, this may be her in 1861:

County: Gloucestershire
RD: Stroud
Sub-RD: Bisley
ED: 10; Piece: 1773; Folio: 114; Page: 13

Mary A Archer 17 lodger [b. South Hampton, sic. Silk worker]
Lodging with 3 others at the Badway household.

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The 1851 census image is difficult to make out, but it looks as though she says she is still married. No obvious sign of other family :rolleyes:

If she became a pauper in Hampshire she may have had to return to her birth parish. Mary Ann was b. in Hampshire :rolleyes:

Yeah... messy :eek:

If anyone is using Anc. she is transcribed as Martha 'Secher'.

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Just checked the Bap Index 1813-1837, not in there.

Another look at marriage image, it doesn't say she needed consent so probably of full age, which may account for not being in the above. Also a Joseph Hiatt was a witness if you haven't seen it..

There are a number of Hiatt/Hyatt in the index..

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Many thanks Geoff. I haven't seen the actual image of the marriage si was unaware of the Joseph Hiatt.

You are also correct about daughter Mary Ann in the 1861 Census.

It's one of those complicated family things - Annie Maria was my gt gt grandmother, born 1840 and died 1867. After her death Mary Ann moved in to care for the children and ended up marrying my gt gt grandfather. I think that marrying your dead wife's sister wasn't legal at that time!

I also have no idea what went wrong with Thomas and Martha's marriage. They moved from Cheltenham to Southampton in the 1840's but by the 1850's Martha and the children were back in Cheltenham in the Workhouse and Thomas seems to have moved to London. he died 1865 in Marylebone Workhouse.

Thanks for looking for me.

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Yeah, a lot sadness and hardship there, EM... I for one would never judge or condemn happenings in those times.. I guess they had to make the best of what they had..

Would you like a copy of the cert. sending?

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The original marriage is on Ancestry, Thomas signed but Martha/Patty Used her mark.
The witnesses were Joseph Hiatt who signed and Jane Baylis who again used her mark. Still looking for a likely baptism, doesn't look as though it was in Gloucestershire can't find it in the records.


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I think I may have Martha and Joseph - what do you think to this

Martha Hiett 1804 Longney mother Sarah
Joseph Hiatt 1807 Longney mother Sarah

Longney is about 20 km from Cheltenham were Martha and Thomas married and about 10 km from Painswick where Thomas was born.

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Sounds like it could be them. I found this death:

Name:Thomas Henry Hiatt
Death Age:65
Birth Year: abt 1811
Burial Date: 28 Jan 1876
Burial Place:Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England

Thomas was a coal Merchant living at 3 Polland Square when he died. I'm guessing this could be his wife:

Name:Harriett Hiatt
Death Age:58
Birth Year: abt 1811
Burial Date:31 Mar 1869
Burial Place: Cheltenham, St Mary, Gloucestershire, England


A possible connection??


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This looks interesting:

Name: Thomas Hiatt
Marriage Age: Minor
Marriage Date: 5 Oct 1837
Marriage Place: Cheltenham, St Mary, Gloucestershire, England
Father: William Hiatt
Spouse: Mary Baylis
Spouse Father: William Baylis

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That's weird, that marriage is in 1837 and this is them in 1841 census:

Name: Thomas Hyatt
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1821
Gender: Male
Where born: Gloucestershire, England
Civil Parish: Sudeley Manor
Hundred: Kiftsgate (Lower Division)
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Registration district: Winchcomb
Sub-registration district: Guiting
Piece: 360
Book: 16
Folio: 2
Page Number: 7

William Hyatt 50
Thomas Hyatt 20
William Hyatt 15
Fanny Hyatt 15
Rosa Hyatt 10
Mary Dowlen 25
Mary Baylis 20


I think this is them in 1861:

Name: Thomas Hiatt
Age: 42
Estimated birth year:1819
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Hiatt
Gender: Male
Where born: Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England
Civil Parish: Holborn St George the Martyr
County/Island: Middlesex
Sub-registration district:
St George the Martyr and St Andrew Western
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household schedule number: 245
Piece: 182
Folio: 167
Page Number: 39
Name Thomas Hiatt 42
Mary Hiatt 42
Eliza J Hiatt 11
Thomas L Hiatt 14
William H Hiatt 10
Mary H Hiatt 3

Couldn't find them in 1851

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That 1841 Census entry is very strange, presuming it is the right family and it looks as though it is. I couldn't find them at all, but then I was looking for a Thomas Hiatt with wife Mary.

Can't yet see anything to connect Mary Baylis to the Jane Baylis who witnessed Thomas and Martha/Patty Archers marriage though. Nor anything to connect Thomas to Martha.

Thanks,

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I'll take a look, I wonder if William was Sarah's brother?? I'll have a look at Baylis too, I have experience with that name in Berkshire.


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I wonder if this is him:

Name:
William Hyett
[Watkins William S. Hyett]*
Baptism Age: 6
Birth Date: 4 Nov 1791
Baptism Date: 4 Apr 1798
Baptism Place: Cheltenham, St Mary, Gloucestershire, England
Father: Watkins Hyett
Mother: Sarah Hyett


Could this Sarah be the mother of Martha and Joseph??


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