Mary Ann ROBERTS nee ELLIS

[DaveHam9]

John Hartley Roberts
Spouse: Mary Ann Ellis
Marriage Place: Victoria
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Year: 1863
Registration number: 1362

Ovens and Murray Advertiser ( Beechworth, Vic. : 1857 - 1918 ) - Saturday 25 April 1863 p.2
MARRIED.
ROBERTS - ELLIS.-On Tuesday, April 21st, at the Wesleyan Church, Ford street, Beechworth, by the Rev Geo. B. Richards, Mr. John H. Roberts, to Miss Mary Anne Ellis.

Births Sep Qtr 1838
ROBERTS John Hartley Manchester 20 489

NSW Death 3888/1922 ROBERTS JOHN H - THOMAS - MARY - AUBURN


Looking for the birth and death for Mary Ann.

Thanks,

Dave

 

[gibbo]

Surname ROBERTS
Given Names JOHN HARTLEY
Age 84 Y
Date of Death
Date of Interment 21 Jan 1922

Denomination Methodist
Section 3B
Grave Number 0000642
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Surname ROBERTS
Given Names MARY ANN
Age 92 Y
Date of Death
Date of Interment 18 Jul 1935

Denomination Methodist
Section 3B
Grave Number 0000642
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14829/1935 ROBERTS MARY A RICHARD MARY E AUBURN

 

[DaveHam9]

Oh. :biggrin:

Thanks gibbo.

There are a few easy ones left.

1851
HO107 Piece 1768 Folio 193 Page 20
Civil Parish: West Ham
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Town: Stratford
County: Essex
Registration District: West Ham
Sub-RD: Stratford
ED: 7g
Address:
Thomas Roberts 46 Portrait painter Derbyshire ?
Mary Roberts 41 Mawsbeth
Saml Roberts 19 Mawsbeth
Mary A Roberts 17
Sarah Roberts 15
John H Roberts 12
Elizabeth L Roberts 5
Emma B Roberts 2
Walter A H Roberts 3 Wks


John arrived 1853 - 1857 ???

 

[gibbo]

John arrived 1853 - 1857 ???

I knew you was going to ask about arrivals :2fun::2fun:

Been looking i have for the Ellis family and found this one which could be a maybe

VIC assisted
ELLIS ANNE 35 MAY 1858 ADMIRAL BOXER
ELLIS EMMA 32 MAY 1858 ADMIRAL BOXER
ELLIS JOSEPH 3 MAY 1858 ADMIRAL BOXER
ELLIS MARY 13 MAY 1858 ADMIRAL BOXER [close to the right age]
ELLIS RICHARD 8 MAY 1858 ADMIRAL BOXER

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks gibbo. :2fun:

I've done nothing on the Ellis family so I have no idea yet. I stated to do a bit on the Roberts:

Thomas Roberts & Mary Griffiths
26 August 1830 Manchester, Lancashire

and the 1841 census today.


A huge number of possible birth reg for Mary in England.

 

[gibbo]

Nepean Times (Penrith, NSW : 1882 - 1962)
Saturday 28 January 1922

Mr. Roberts came to Sydney in 1857, and passed through Penrith that year on the way etc etc

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/art...searchLimits=exactPhrase=John+Hartley+Roberts

 

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VIC assisted
ELLIS ANNE 35 MAY 1858 ADMIRAL BOXER
ELLIS EMMA 32 MAY 1858 ADMIRAL BOXER
ELLIS JOSEPH 3 MAY 1858 ADMIRAL BOXER
ELLIS MARY 13 MAY 1858 ADMIRAL BOXER [close to the right age]
ELLIS RICHARD 8 MAY 1858 ADMIRAL BOXER

Maybe Emma is the mother ?? On Mary Ann's death index mother is Mary E. Wonder if the E is for Emma.

 

[DaveHam9]

We need a tree to lead us astray.

Nothing stands out. We don't even know what county.

 

[gibbo]

We need a tree to lead us astray.

:2fun::2fun:

 

[DaveHam9]

Found one. :2fun:

One tree has Mary Ann born Cornwall in 1845 to parents Joseph and Amy.

The tree has her death in 1924.

 

[DaveHam9]

We have the right death for John H. and Mary Ann is buried with him so we have the right death for Mary and the tree is wrong. The tree has arrival in 1858.


The Sydney Morning Herald - Thursday 18 July 1935 p.10
DEATHS
ROBERTS.-July 17, 19315,at her residence Wilga, Auburn-road, Auburn, Mary Ann, relict of late John Hartley, aged 92 years.

It may be the correct arrival. Not sure about parents as listed on death reg.

 

[gibbo]

http://books.google.com.au/books?id=ghNPAQAAIAAJ&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=mary+ann+ellis

 

[DaveHam9]

Perhaps:

1851
Piece: HO107/1917 Place: Uny Lelant -Cornwall Enumeration District: 2c
Civil Parish: Ludgvan Ecclesiastical Parish: -
Folio: 136 Page: 2 Schedule: 7
Address: Crowlas
Surname First name(s) Rel Status *** Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
ELLIS Joseph Head M M 31 Shop Keeper Cornwall - Buryan
ELLIS Ann Wife M F 30 Cornwall - Buryan
ELLIS Mary Ann Dau - F 5 Cornwall - Buryan
ELLIS Richard Son - M 2 Cornwall - Buryan
ORKLING John George Lodger M M 27 Contractor Warwickshire - -
ELLIS Emily Dau - F 8m Cornwall - Ludgvan
UREN Margaret Servnt S F 17 Cornwall - Uny Lelant


It looks like Anne and Mary and Richard in shipping record plus Joseph 3 and Emma 32 ?

 

[gibbo]

http://books.google.com.au/books?id=ghNPAQAAIAAJ&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=mary+ann+ellis

Shame we cant read anything further in that book :2fun::2fun:

 

[DaveHam9]

Yes. Looks like father is Joseph and the informant got it wrong. The tree is very wrong with the death of Mary in 1924. Also looks as though mother is Ann(e). Emma is probably a sister-in-law.

So Joseph ELLIS has a sister Emma and he married Ann(e) Unknown.

Possible:

Marriages Mar Qtr 1843
ELLIS Joseph Penzance 9 215
Richards Ann Penzance 9 215

Births Dec Qtr 1846
Ellis Mary Ann Penzance 9 214

 

[DaveHam9]

What do we need to confirm we have the right birth and marriage in Cornwall?

 

[gibbo]

Does this help any? A small sample from the book link...

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks gibbo.

Yes, that just about confirms it.

1851 census: Civil Parish: Ludgvan

1841
Piece: HO107/142/12 Place: Penwith -Cornwall Enumeration District: 14
Civil Parish: Ludgvan Ecclesiastical Parish: -
Folio: 5 Page: 3
Address: Treassowe
Surname First name(s) *** Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
ELLIS John M 55 Miner (Tin) Cornwall
ELLIS Ann F 55 Cornwall
ELLIS Joseph M 20 Miner (Tin) Cornwall
ELLIS William M 15 Miner (Tin) Cornwall

 

[gibbo]

Case closed?

 

[DaveHam9]

Almost.

I might have a look at the Cornwall images on FS for that parish.

Just wondering why the tree has parents as Joseph and Amy. Amy didn't come off the death reg so where did it come from? Shipping record? I have the vessel on my list to look up next week at the State Library.