Mary Anne Bone

[CarolineL]

It looks like the marriage is correct, doesn´t it? There were no more Brithelli families in Sweden (Anders Magnus was the first who used that name, before him they had the name Britt, also very unusual in Sweden. Possibly earlier British ancestors??) I suppose Alverstoke is within the parish of Hambledon? Do you know anything about it?
If his wife is the Mary Ann Wilds Bone this parish record says that she had no registered father. Is Wilds a first or a last name? Then her mother must have given her a good upbringing since this contemporary note about her (my translation):
“Among the closest friends in the Raab home at Ryssbylund (a mansion) were the Posses at Björnö and also Mrs. Brithelli, an English lady married to a renowned shipbroker in Kalmar (Anders Magnus Brithelli) – an unusually nice and cultivated person, a great horsewoman and much admired for her dancing. Her son, Lieutenant Andrew John Brithelli was 1846 married to Raabs daughter Anna Beata.”

Caroline

 

[horse]

Yes, the marriage is looking fairly good now.

I don't know if Hambledon and Alverstoke had any connection then, Amanda may know..

Given Mary Ann was bap. in Hambledon, she may well have been b. there. I did wonder if the 'Wilds' name may be a link to her father, it looks like a middle name

Anders/Andrew says he was in Alverstoke [very close proximity to Portsmouth] in the PR's, since they married in Hambledon it may suggest Mary Ann was still living there.

Geoff

 

[CarolineL]

I thought that the note Alverstoke after the marriage in the parish records from Hambledon ment that the marriage was in Alverstoke? Or did I miss something?

Caroline

 

[horse]

The PR and Family Search record both say that the marriage was in Hambledon..

Geoff

 

[horse]

Hi Caroline

Just checking out the 'Wilds' possibilities in Hampshire, this looks interesting..

https://familysearch.org/search/col..._year:1770-1790~ +subcollection_id:5&igi=(1 2)

Geoff

 

[CarolineL]

The note Alverstoke at the right of the marriage notice - what did that mean?

Interesting with your latest link. I suppose you think of the Mary Ann Wilds 1789. But we lost the name Bone. But maybe a father to the "illegitimate" child 1787?? Is Wilds an unusual name?

 

[horse]

The note Alverstoke at the right of the marriage notice - what did that mean?

I think that means that he was from there at the time of their marriage. If you scroll back up to the top, you will see it see it says Hambledon PR's.

Geoff

 

[horse]

Interesting with your latest link. I suppose you think of the Mary Ann Wilds 1789. But we lost the name Bone. But maybe a father to the "illegitimate" child 1787?? Is Wilds an unusual name?

My point here, was that there were male 'Wilds' in the area. It may suggest that a fellow named Wilds was Mary Ann's father, proving it is another matter.

Once again, by chipping away at the problem we may eventually get to the truth. It is painstaking and there's nothing to lose by slowly discounting that which is not true.

One example is a marriage in 1808 Wilds and Ann Bone, worth looking at even to discount. It really depends on the time and importance you attach to this.

Geoff

 

[CarolineL]

Yes it is fascinating what can be found in the archives and also what you cannot know, just have as a hypothesis. It is great that we found the marriage that seems to be the correct one. But the rest – who Mary Ann Bone was, seems to be more difficult. I will be in contact with other relatives and see if there is any clue that might lead further. Unfortunately the elder generation is gone. I am so grateful for your help!

Caroline

 

[CarolineL]

Another thing I thought of was if the name Bone can be used as a first name? A grandchild of Mary Ann was baptised Edward John Emil Bone.

Caroline

 

[horse]

Hi Caroline

The Hampshire OPC has this in Alverstoke...

Link (Scroll Down) > http://knightroots.co.uk/transcriptions/Parishes_H/Hambledon/Marriages/marriages.htm

Marriages:

Hi Caroline

This is a bit misleading [apologies] it should say 'in Hambledon', but from Alverstoke.

Looking through what we have so far. It is also possible the Mary Ann b./bap. 1779 that Amanda found in post #15 [father, John] is also a contender because we don't have an age at death for Mary Ann [unless you know it].

Geoff

 

[CarolineL]

I don´t have her age at death right now. I am trying to see if I can get some more information through other Swedish records when she came to Sweden. I will be back with info. Right now I will be away over the weekend

Caroline

 

[CarolineL]

Hello again,
We have not found anything more about who Mary Ann Bone was yet, but there is a possibility to find more from the Swedish foreign departments achives, I will check that. So far I think Mary Ann Wilds Bone 1787 or Mary Ann Bone 1779 are the best candidates.

We found though that Mary Anne and Anders Magnus had little twin daughters on April 21 1814 in Kalmar. Unfortunately they died after a few days.

Caroline

 

[WORSELDINE]

hi
have checked the hampshire bmd discs which are issued by hgs but could not find a better match for your mary.
but my real point of posting is to tell you of a very handy FREE program which will help find the nearby hamlets, villages and towns to any place in the uk before the 1900's i use it all the time and would not be with out it

http://www.parloc.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/

judy

 

[CarolineL]

Hi,

Thanks a lot! I have found the parish records for her death July 25 1839 in Kalmar Sweden. There it says that she was 55 years at her death, wich supports that she should have been born 1784 which is in our family records, but not really in the records found. I found some born 1784:

Ann Bone from Southampton https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JQ3N-BXH
Mary Bone from London https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NYFQ-5LG

I don´t know how likely it is that one of these girls would travel to Hambledon and get married there? If she was born 1784 she was 23 when she got married.

Caroline

 

[Ladybird1300]

Hi Caroline,

Just a little scenario, my g g grandfather all his life believed he was born in 1828 in Glasgow. From the evidence I had I thought so too, his death certificate also said he was 75 when he died in 1903.
It was only when I found his baptism on Scotland's People, his birth had also been recorded as 1825. So what you might say?? when Mary Ann Bone was born registration hadn't started, just don't rely that the birth year was correct, they often didn't know their date of birth...just a thought.

Amanda

 

[CarolineL]

Hi Amanda,

Absolutely, there are many pitfalls, people did not always know when they were born, figures from notes in records can have been misinterpreted and so on. I am looking further in the Swedish church record. In Sweden the vicars had catecheticals (Google translate - I hope it works) yearly and noted information on the parish members in records. I might find some more if I am lucky.

Caroline