Mary Anne KILFEDER

[DaveHam9]

Mary Anne known as Anne.

1922 VIC Electoral Roll - Bourke - Brunswick South
NAUGHTON Anne, 144 Union st. W, Brunswick, home duties
NAUGHTON Elsie Mabel, 144 Union st. W, Brunswick, shop assistant

Death 13761/1923 NAUGHTON Anne 70 KILLFEDER Jno Anne KNOX d. Brunswick, Vic.

The Age (Melbourne, Vic.) - Tue 9 Oct 1923 p.1
DEATHS
NAUGHTON.-On the 8th October, at 144 Union-street, West Brunswick, Anne, widow of the late James Naughton, loving mother of James, Anne (Mrs. Poppleton), Mary (Mrs. Henchen), William, Lily (Mrs. Bryceland), Robert and Elsie, aged 76 years. After life's fitful fever she sleeps well.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/206250543
The Age (Melbourne, Vic.) - Tue 9 Oct 1923 p.16
FUNERAL NOTICES
NAUGHTON.-The Friends of the late Mrs. ANNE NAUGHTON are respectfully invited to follow her remains to the place of interment in the Coburg Cemetery. The funeral will leave 14 [cut off] Union-street, West Brunswick, THIS DAY (Tuesday), 9th October, at 3.30 o'clock.
JOHN ALLISON, Funeral Director, 201 Sydney-road, Brunswick (opp. Empire Theatre).

Fawkner Memorial Park wishes to advise that the location of the buried remains of the late Anne Naughton aged 70 are located at Coburg Cemetery ROMAN CATHOLIC: Compartment: CC Grave No: 22. Service date: 9/10/1923.

The marriage has not been found.

 

[DaveHam9]

Alice is a sister of Mary Anne, both born Co Leitrim, Ireland.

Marriage not found.

QLD Birth 29 Apr 1872/B13912 Naughton Anne - James - Alice Kilfedder * Odd

VIC Birth 1874 NAUGHTON Rebecca - James Alice KILFEDDER b. Sandridge Vic. #19144


Death 13020/1927 NAUGHTON Alice 80 KILFEDER Michael ? Mary Ann ? UNK d. Ballarat, Vic.

Parents are John & Anne nee Knox.

Can't find a notice in Trove ?

Alice was a widow and died in Ballarat Hospital age 80.
Alice was buried on 10 Nov, 1927 at Ballarat New Cemetery in Church of England "G", Section 2, Row 1, Grave 23.


Coincidence both 'married' a Naughton ??

The first Naughton birth with mother as Mary Ann is 1877 in Vic. so no overlap of births.

 

[DaveHam9]

1921 VIC Electoral Roll - Bourke - Brunswick South
NAUGHTON James, 143 Union st. west, Brunswick, nil
NAUGHTON Anne, 143 Union st. west, Brunswick, home duties
NAUGHTON Elsie Mabel, 143 Union st. west, Brunswick, shop asst.

Death 521/1922 NAUGHTON James 82 James Unk MOORE d. Brunswick, Vic.

Can't find a notice in Trove

Fawkner Memorial Park wishes to advise that the location of the buried remains of the late James Naughton aged 80 are located at Coburg Cemetery ROMAN CATHOLIC: Compartment: CC Grave No: 22. Service date: 27/01/1922.


No Naughton deaths in Qld. with mother as Kilfeder.

 

[Bootzy]

Found this…
Name: Alice Kilfeder
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Age: 23
Arrival date: Jan 1871
Arrival Port: Melbourne, Australia
Departure Port: Plymouth
Ship: Essex
Nationality: Irish
Alice a housekeeper with sister Rebecca age 20 a dom servant.

Rebecca married 1876 Vic to Frederick Edwin Turner – died 24 Dec 1919 Vic
The Age – Sat 27 Dec 1919
TURNER. — On the 24th December, at her residence, 25 Blair-street, Moreland, Rebecca, the dearly loved wife of Fredk. E. Turner, and loved sister of Mrs. Naughton, and loving mother of Alice (Mrs. Harvey, and grandmother of Alice, Fred., Reg., Edith, Ted. A good mother.—Inserted by Alice and Henry Harvey, Yarragon.

The Argus – Fri 26 Dec 1919
TURNER. —On the 24th December, at her residence, "Fern Grove," 20 Blair street, Coburg, Rebecca, dearly beloved wife of F. E. Turner, and loving mother of Fredk. J. (Ballarat), May (Mrs. Berry, Coburg), Alice (Mrs. Harvey, Yarragon), Edith (Mrs. Horsewell, Sydney), Robert James, Edwin (deceased), Gladys, Reginald, Frank, and Perl, O. A patient sufferer at rest.
Buried Coburg Cemetery.

TURNER Given namesRebecca EventDeath Father's name Kilfeder Jno Mother's maiden name Ann (Knox) Reg. year 1919 Reg. no16783

For Alice
NAUGHTON Given names Alice EventDeath Father's name KILFEDER Michael -Mother's maiden name Mary Ann (Unknown) Reg. year 1927 Reg. no13020

Daughter Rebecca (James & Alice) b 1874 married 1897 Albury NSW Charles M Kelly

She died 21 Aug 1928 Wagga buried Wagga.

KELLY REBECCA 12412/1928 JAMES – ALICE - WAGGA WAGGA

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/...Limits=l-state=New+South+Wales|||l-decade=192

on Qld BMD
1872 B13912 Anne Naughton James Alice Kilfedder

Married St Mary’s Church Sunbury 18 Sept 1900 Thomas James Poppleton.

POPPLETON Given namesAnne EventDeath Father's name NAUGHTON James - Mother's maiden name Anne (Kilfedder) Reg. year1945 Reg. no5806

The Age – Tue 9 Oct 1923
NAUGHTON.—On the 8th October, at 144 Union-street, West Brunswick, Anne, widow of the late James Naughton, loving mother of James, Anne (Mrs. Poppleton), Mary (Mrs. Henchen), William, Lily (Mrs. Bryceland), Robert and Elsie, aged 76 years. After life's fitful fever she sleeps well.

NAUGHTON Given names Anne EventDeath Father's name KILLFEDER John Mother's maiden name Anne (Knox) Reg. year1923 Reg. no13761

 

[Bootzy]

Suggested off a tree for James Naughton’s arrival
Name James Noughton
Age 23
Birth Year abt 1848
Ship Name Light Brigade
Port of Departure London, England
Port of Arrival Moreton Bay
Arrival Date 11 Jan 1871

Vic Gov Gazette 1878
James Naughton is charged on a warrant issued by the Richmond Bench with deserting his wife last May. Description Irish, 30 yrs 5ft 10 inches, fair hair and complextion, wore old shaby clothes – a great drunkard. He was formerly in the Police force and stationed in Prahran. Supposed to seek employment on the railway works in the country. 5 Nov 1878

His death is between 1878 and 1923 - ref late James Naughton on Ann's death notice.

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Val.

Pity it only says Mrs Naughton in the notice.

Don't know how Alice ended up in Qld. for the birth of first child.

Burial records show same grave so death is 1922.

Death 521/1922 NAUGHTON James 82 James Unk MOORE d. Brunswick, Vic.

Age is way out so may not be correct arrival. Age 30 in 1878 also does not fit.


Children include
1877 NAUGHTON James Forristal James Forristal KILFEDDEN Mary Ann Richmond Vic. #10942
1881 NAUGHTON Mary Ellen James KILFEDDER Annie Sunb Vic. #12783
1883 NAUGHTON John Masterton James KILFEDDER Anne Sumb Vic. #20143
1885 NAUGHTON William James KILFEDDER Anne Sunb Vic. #13985
1888 NAUGHTON Eva Lilian James KILFEDDES Annie S'bury Vic. #25114

Last four births at Sunbury, Vic.

Dave

 

[Ellie7]

Party 1 Name JAMES NAUGHTON
Party 2 Name ALICE KILFEDDER
Date of Event 28 July 1870
Group Registration ID 2727813
SR District/Reg Area Ballyshannon
Image


https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/


ellie

 

[horse]

Suggested off a tree for James Naughton’s arrival
Name James Noughton
Age 23
Birth Year abt 1848
Ship Name Light Brigade
Port of Departure London, England
Port of Arrival Moreton Bay
Arrival Date 11 Jan 1871

Looks right [I think ], given this...

NOUGHTON Alice
Age 23
Light Brigade
11 Jan 1871
IMM/114 75 Z1958

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Ellie.

Thanks Geoff.

Fawkner Memorial Park wishes to advise that the location of the buried remains of the late James Naughton aged 80 are located at Coburg Cemetery ROMAN CATHOLIC: Compartment: CC Grave No: 22. Service date: 27/01/1922.

Fawkner Memorial Park wishes to advise that the location of the buried remains of the late Anne Naughton aged 70 are located at Coburg Cemetery ROMAN CATHOLIC: Compartment: CC Grave No: 22. Service date: 9/10/1923.

"The death cert for James Naughton (husband of MARY ANN (aka Ann) Kilfedder) says that he arrived in 1853. He died aged 82 in 1922 and lived in Victoria for 69 years, married in Ireland 1870, first child born in Australia in 1877)..."


Something is very odd about this. Death certificate says he married in Ireland in 1870 but the marriage is to Alice. First child born in Qld. in 1877 but mother is Alice. Next one born 1874 and mother is Alice. Death certificate has 'wife' as Mary Ann (aka Ann/Anne).

Unassisted Inward to Victoria
Jan 1871 'Essex' 300 006
Kilfeder Alice 23
Kilfeder Rebecca 20
The 'Essex' sailed from Plymouth on 10 Nov 1870 arriving at Melbourne on 25 Jan 1871.
The Captain was Charles Hodder.

Alice b. 9 Dec 1846

Mary Ann b. 18 Jan 1853


Dave

 

[Ellie7]

That death to old?

Edit oh no ! I added wrong.

ellie

 

[Ellie7]

Did his Father die in Ireland c1870 ?


Ellie

 

[DaveHam9]

Don't know Ellie. Another researcher of this family always doubted James a labourer could have afforded to return to Ireland to marry.

It's looking very much as if James left Alice and took up with her younger sister. Alice died in 1927 but buried CofE which is odd or it's the wrong death for Alice.

Other possibility is that the Alice in the 1870 marriage is one who had not left Ireland.

Death 13020/1927 NAUGHTON Alice 80 KILFEDER Michael ? Mary Ann ? UNK d. Ballarat, Vic.

Parents there do not fit the Alice who arrived with sister Rebecca.

If that is the death of the Alice who married in Ireland then we have no marriage or death for the Alice who arrived with Rebecca - parents John & Anne.

I can't make sense of this.

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

The Alice who arrived with Rebecca can't be the one who married in 1870 in Ireland.

Only one death found so far in Vic. for an Alice Naughton.

No hits in Trove for "Alice Kilfeder" or "Alice Kilfedder"

No death in Vic. for an Alice (any surname) with parents John & Anne Knox.

 

[horse]

There is a James N in the 1874 Qld. Dir.

Naughton, J., constable, Adelaide St., B'bane.

I can't see him in the City Directories in Qld.

Geoff

 

[horse]

Something to ponder..

Victoria, Australia, Rate Books, 1855-1963
Occupier Name: James Naughton
Residence Date: 1875
Residence Place: Prahran, Victoria, Australia
Owner Name: Mrs Wm. Nunnington

Geoff

 

[horse]

There is also this [not getting any mentions of an Alice though]..

Police Gazette:
James Naughton
[James Norton]
Age: 30
Birth Date: abt 1846
Year: 1876
Place: Victoria, Australia
Reference Description: AU7103-1876 Victoria Police Gazette 1876

Partial copy for ID..

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

James a policeman marries an Alice Kilfeder in Ireland in 1870.

They arrive Qld. in 1871

Qld. Birth 29 Apr 1872/B13912 Naughton Anne James Alice Kilfedder

1874 Qld. Dir - constable

Vic. Birth 1874 NAUGHTON Rebecca James Alice KILFEDDER b. Sandridge, Vic. #19144

1875 Rate Book living in Prahran.

Birth 1877 NAUGHTON James Forristal James Forristal KILFEDDEN Mary Ann Richmond Vic. #10942

1878 warrant issued by the Richmond Bench with deserting his wife ...

Other children born Sunbury with mother as Anne.

1903 & 1909 VIC Electoral Roll - Corio - Sunbury
NAUGHTON James, Sunbury, labourer
NAUGHTON Annie, Sunbury, home duties

James dies 1922 and Anne dies 1923 and buried together in RC Coburg.

Dave

 

[DaveHam9]

One has fair hair and the other dark hair and both say formerly a policeman at Prahran. ??

I can complicate this.

A James Naughton married Mary Ann OLEARY in 1870 and had children in Richmond area 1871-87.

Don't know his occupation

Surname: NAUGHTON
Given Names: James
Event: D
Father: Unk
Mother: Unk UNK
Age: 78
Death Place: Bwk N
Year: 1920
Reg. Number: 9063

The Argus (Melbourne, Vic.) - Sat 4 Sep 1920 p.
DEATHS
NAUGHTON.-On the 1st September, at his late residence, 446 Sydney Road, Brunswick, James husband of late M. A. Naughton, father of Edward, Ernie, Landie, and Aggie (deceased) also Thomas, Len, Frank, and Mrs. Lally. R. I. P. (Interred privately at Melbourne General Cemetery)

Dave

 

[horse]

So somewhere along the line Alice = Ann or a remarriage?

Geoff

 

[horse]

The two descriptions are not of the same James Naughton.

Ah!

Geoff