Mary CLEMENT(S)

[DaveHam9]

I don't know if this is the right baptism ...

Mary Clements b. 9 Feb 1822
Christening Date: 9 Apr 1822 Old Church St Pancras, London
James Crook Clements & Mary
Batch: C047931

... but this is the right marriage ...

Marriages Sep Qtr 1843
ANGEL Thomas Ashton &c 20 79
CLEMENTS Mary Ashton &c 20 79

1843 Marriage solemnized at the Israelites Sanctuary Ashton Under Lyne in the District of Ashton and Oldham in the Counties of Lancashire and Cheshire
No. 66 - Twentyfifth of September 1843
Thomas Angel of full age Bachelor Cloth Lapper Katherine Street Ashton under Lyne Thomas Angel Horse Trainer
Mary Clements of full age Spinster Works in a Warehouse Katherine Street Ashton under Lyne James Clements Weaver
Married in the Israelites Sanctuary according to the Rites and Ceremonies of the Israelites by me Aaron Woollacott
Thomas signed and Mary by her x mark
Witnesses: Edward Odgen, Elizabeth Woollacott
John Whitehead Registrar

I don't know if this is the right Mary in 1841 ...

1841
Piece: SCT1841/573 Place: Paisley -Renfrewshire Enumeration District: 8
Civil Parish: Paisley Low Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 51 Page: 14
Address: 1 Stow Place
Surname First name(s) *** Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
LAKIE Grace F 50 Cotton Winder Outside Census County (1841)
CLEMENT Mary F 20 Female Servant England
McCRAE Robt M 45 Hand Loom Weaver Outside Census County (1841)

... but this is the right death

Death 1868 ANGEL, MARY 501/00 0003

Page 1
1868 Deaths in the Parish of Old Kilpatrick in the County of Dumbarton
No. 3 - Mary Angel (Married to Thomas Angel Pier-Master) - 1868 January Fourth 9h. 15m. P.M. Scott's Lane Bowling Old Kilpatrick - F - 46 years - James Clement Soldier, deceased Mary Clement M.S. Allison, deceased - (a) Bronchitis 14 days (b) Congestion of Lungs As Certified by John Spiers Surgeon Old Kilpatrick - Stephen Angel Son of the deceased (present) - 1868 January 6th at Old Kilpatrick M. Findlay Registrar

 

[DaveHam9]

1851 This record translated by Mcr/Lancs FHS from damaged records - no actual record to see
HO107 Piece 2233 Folio 0 Page 0
Civil Parish: Ashton-Under-Lyne
County: Lancashire
Registration District: Ashton Under Lyne
Address: 141 Fleet Street, Ashton-Under-Lyne
SIMPSON Charles Head Married M 29 1822 Iron Moulder Chesterfield
SIMPSON Alice Wife F 25 1826 Illegible Illegible
SIMPSON Emma Dau F 5 1846 Scholar Ashton Lancashire
ANGEL Thomas Lodger Married M 29 1822 Plumber Scotland


This is very strange. That's Samuel, brother of Thomas, and his wife and family. Mary is lodging with them with two surviving children. If she was born England as 1861 census indicates why would she use her maiden name?

1851 Census
Angel Paisley Low - 13 Bridge St
Name Age Ward Enum Page Line Occupation
Samuel 23 464 3 9 7 Starcher
Janet 22 8 Warp Winder
Anne 3 9
Samuel 8mo 10
Mary Clymont lodger 28 Weaver warp winder Paisley, Renfrew [England]
Thomas Clymont 6 Paisley, Renfrew [England]
John Clymont 4 Paisley, Renfrew [England]


Births Sep Qtr 1844
Angel Thomas Ashton 20 20

Births Dec Qtr 1846
Angel John Ashton & 20 17

 

[DaveHam9]

Can anything be found for James the weaver and soldier?

I can't find a marriage in England or Scotland 1800 - 1830.

Lots of possible deaths for James in England to 1868.

 

[horse]

1861
RD: Old Kilpatrick
Civil Parish: Old Kilpatrick
County: Dumbartonshire
Address: Railway Co's House
ED: 2; Page: 10; Line: 16; Roll: CSSCT1861_68

Thomas Angel 38 [b. Paisley. Railway porter]
Mary Angel 38 wife [b. England]
Thomas Angel 16 son [b. England. Boilermaker, app]
Stephen Angel 6 son [b. Paisley]
Octavia C Angel 3 dau [b. Glasgow]
Samuel D Angel 5 Mo son [Bowling, Dumbartonshire]

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

Don't know how accurate the born England is for Mary. I have the later census and the later marriages for Thomas.

John was elsewhere - his middle name is Clement.

Trying to sort Mary and her parents out.

Dave

 

[horse]

One to ponder..

There is a bap of a George, parents James & Mary..

George Clement
Baptism Date: 10 Oct 1830
Parish: Salford, St Philip
Parish as it Appears: St Philips Church Manchester
Father: James Clement
Mother: Mary Clement
Item Number: 1
Archive Roll: 955
[Occ. Soldier]

If her father was a soldier, they could be anywhere..

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

Thomas would have no connection to Ashton-Under-Lyne or that church so I presume they met in Paisley and ended up getting married there because Mary had some connection.

The name is with and without the 's' in records but from John's middle name it is the less common Clement.

Still no sign of a marriage to a Mary Allison.

Dave

 

[horse]

Thanks Geoff.

Thomas would have no connection to Ashton-Under-Lyne or that church so I presume they met in Paisley and ended up getting married there because Mary had some connection.

Yeah, Salford is only 5-6 miles W of Ashton.

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Other middle names for the children - Clarendon and Dow.

I have no idea where they came from.

Middle name Gifford is from an old army buddy of Thomas sen., Stephen Gifford.

 

[horse]

I don't know if this is the right baptism ...

Mary Clements b. 9 Feb 1822
Christening Date: 9 Apr 1822 Old Church St Pancras, London
James Crook Clements & Mary
Batch: C047931

I don't think that is the correct parents, James Crook is a clerk.. I haven't found that Mary, but there are other bap's with those parents in Pancras.

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Thanks Geoff.

I'll remove that one.

Using born 1770 - 1807:

James Clements
United Kingdom, Chelsea Pensioners' Service Records, 1760-1913
birth: 1777 Down

James Clements
United Kingdom, Chelsea Pensioners' Service Records, 1760-1913
birth: 1783 Tyrone

James Clements
United Kingdom, Chelsea Pensioners' Service Records, 1760-1913
birth: 1807 Hampshire

James Clements
United Kingdom, Chelsea Pensioners' Service Records, 1760-1913
birth: 1796 Armagh

 

[horse]

Looks like another one to sleep on, Dave. Speak later.

Geoff

 

[DaveHam9]

Ok, thanks Geoff.

You can always skip to George Aitken.

Dave